In_The_Rough
Tour Winner
Oi, less of that kinda of talk on here...
Anything goes on here you should know that by now
Was only kidding anyway I will gladly have a casual round of golf with anyone of any handicap
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Anything goes on here you should know that by now
Was only kidding anyway I will gladly have a casual round of golf with anyone of any handicap
Odvan
Journeyman Pro
Again, you read what you want too.
Having spent a fair amount of time replying you seem to have missed the bit whereby I said I'm privileged to work in the the industry I do. I'm one of the lucky ones but i'm not blinkered enough to be able to separate this from reality.
JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
At which point did I say I didn't want a part time job?
Odvan
Journeyman Pro
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JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
I've never said I'm not prepared to work, I've just said I'd rather work in something that will lead on. I'd happily rake bunkers at a Golf Club if it meant it goes onto further work in the Golf Industry. That's the whole point I've made but this thread has been off topic and gone through every kind of scenario in the world! haha.
JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
I read everything, I reply to the points that stand out to me. Being as less bias to what I want to hear as possible.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
That will teach you for asking for advice on something other than golf from a bunch of golfers
AMcC
Journeyman Pro
Somewhere much earlier in this topic you mentioned having emailed driving ranges and golf shop to see if they had any vacancies. It is very easy for them to sit behind a keyboard and fire off a nothing available reply. That's what I would do. Have you been round these places in person and doorstep the managers ?
I am sure many of our older readers will remember the boys form the black stuff and Yosser Hughes, think that was his name. His catchphrase was " give me a job, I can do that ". If it was me I would be regularly and consistently door stepping all the places you would want to work and the ones you don't want to work at. Something will turn up.
I left school in 83 at a time of similarly high unemployment and lack of jobs.
I was very lucky and started with the cooncil within a month of leaving 6th year, in a job that I really wanted to do. I was sent to do day release and gained an HNC in building. My path changed slightly, but the college work, site experience and office experience gave me a really good grounding.
Don't be scared to be rejected a few times, Most potential employers will Be impressed by your resillience if you keep turning up and asking for a job, and you never know you may just arrive on the right day.
Hope it works out for you.
I am sure many of our older readers will remember the boys form the black stuff and Yosser Hughes, think that was his name. His catchphrase was " give me a job, I can do that ". If it was me I would be regularly and consistently door stepping all the places you would want to work and the ones you don't want to work at. Something will turn up.
I left school in 83 at a time of similarly high unemployment and lack of jobs.
I was very lucky and started with the cooncil within a month of leaving 6th year, in a job that I really wanted to do. I was sent to do day release and gained an HNC in building. My path changed slightly, but the college work, site experience and office experience gave me a really good grounding.
Don't be scared to be rejected a few times, Most potential employers will Be impressed by your resillience if you keep turning up and asking for a job, and you never know you may just arrive on the right day.
Hope it works out for you.
Tiger
Money List Winner
Odvan I'm not really sure what motivated your tirade but not only is it wide of the mark it's bordering on offensive. I am currently exchanging messages with Jack to try and help him take the first steps in his career. What are you constructively doing to help?
As for Kickz it is football based but has a multi sport and cultural component. A few years back there was some work conducted on sports coaching qualifications to develop some core underlying principles ensuring consistency and also make it easier to become a multi sports coach. If he wants to be a golf coach then any experience of coaching is helpful, especially if a sports club is picking up the cost.
For your information I worked in sport for six years before moving on to work for a youth charity where I designed and managed programmes to help tackle youth unemployment. So I'm probably totally unqualified to offer him advice...
As for Kickz it is football based but has a multi sport and cultural component. A few years back there was some work conducted on sports coaching qualifications to develop some core underlying principles ensuring consistency and also make it easier to become a multi sports coach. If he wants to be a golf coach then any experience of coaching is helpful, especially if a sports club is picking up the cost.
For your information I worked in sport for six years before moving on to work for a youth charity where I designed and managed programmes to help tackle youth unemployment. So I'm probably totally unqualified to offer him advice...
jimbob.someroo
Journeyman Pro
Just on the 9k thing for uni as well - don't let the headline number put you off.
The new rates mean you will actually pay less back per month than my age group who 'only' paid 3k. You don't start paying it off until you earn over 21k (as opposed to 15k for us) and even then if you were to earn 21k you would pay back just £34 a month. Also unlike our one, if you can't pay it all off in 30 years it gets wiped. Statistically you will earn over £400k more by going to uni than not (not my opinion but research done when the new system was brought in) and so the degree 'should' pay itself back a good few times over. It might not affect your first few years in work but when you come to moving up the ladder you'll be competing against people with the same skills set as you, only they've got a qualification to back it up.
Uni is a good place to properly learn a subject if you want to and an amazing few years. It's definitely not for everyone and if I had my time again I'm not sure I'd go just because the area in which I work doesn't rely on having a degree. However, the money factor can't be a reason for not going. I actually worked through Uni and a few jobs and had far more disposable income after paying rent etc than I do now!
The new rates mean you will actually pay less back per month than my age group who 'only' paid 3k. You don't start paying it off until you earn over 21k (as opposed to 15k for us) and even then if you were to earn 21k you would pay back just £34 a month. Also unlike our one, if you can't pay it all off in 30 years it gets wiped. Statistically you will earn over £400k more by going to uni than not (not my opinion but research done when the new system was brought in) and so the degree 'should' pay itself back a good few times over. It might not affect your first few years in work but when you come to moving up the ladder you'll be competing against people with the same skills set as you, only they've got a qualification to back it up.
Uni is a good place to properly learn a subject if you want to and an amazing few years. It's definitely not for everyone and if I had my time again I'm not sure I'd go just because the area in which I work doesn't rely on having a degree. However, the money factor can't be a reason for not going. I actually worked through Uni and a few jobs and had far more disposable income after paying rent etc than I do now!
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
Actually, just to refute that, i'm 24. Therefore I can see through peers, relatives and colleagues, the exact same attitude that you are eminating. That is why it has riled me up a little. It is so frustrating, to see people thinking that something will fall into their laps. And what you don't realise that not having any experience is actually hurting that chance of getting the perfect job!!
Tiger
Money List Winner
That's not what he's doing. He's not expecting the perfect job to fall into his lap. But rather than getting any job he's trying to figure out what he needs to do to get a job that he wants...
Just a rhetorical question... there's been some pretty harsh replies in this thread. Would you give the same advice in such a harsh way if you were talking to one of your own children? Our kids would tell us to shove it.
Like I said, its a rhetorical question... just a musing.
Like I said, its a rhetorical question... just a musing.
Midnight
Journeyman Pro
Hi mate,
sorry for not replying straight away. When I left school I had no qualifications, I ended up joining the Infantry , I was in the Cheshire Regiment. Spend 6 years in that becoming very fit and went to loads of different places, after 6 years I transferred to the Army Air Corps and again spent 6 years taking recruits and soldiers for fitness amongst other things. I loved my time in the forces and would not change it for the world. I then met my wife and it was unfair on her in my opinion to hardly ever be there. so I ended up leaving and joining the Police.
Again regrading the Police , I enjoy my job however like most jobs it has some cracking days and some really crap ones. The good thing about it is there is still quite a lot of chance to move around i.e if you get bored or fancy a change you can put in for something else. I have been very lucky as I have done a variety of different things in the Police. Some people will say being a copper is a waste of time and that we don't do much. My view is everyone is entitled to there Opinion . I know I work hard and I do get a lot of reward from aspects of my job.
If you need any more info ref the Police PM me and I will help you as much as I can mate.
Cheers and good luck
Midnight...
Amazing (or not) how once again a thread can bring out the bravery of the keyboard warriors and those that have never met the guy or know the first thing about him. The OP has made his point very clearly and is looking for a job that will lead onto progression in an indusry he is interested in and is in the fortunate position of not having to rush into making a career choice that he doesn't want to or have to. Like most things, if someone is luckier than others, in this case having parents prepared to support him while he does, the don't haves get on their high horse and complain about the yoof of today.
I do think the OP could be more proactive especially regarding a role in golf by doing more face to face work but that's just my opinion. Big thumbs up to Tiger who is helping the guy with some positive advice and assistance. I hope the guy finds something he likes and goes on to make a success of it. He seems to have a good idea about what he wants from life is being true to himself. Clearly this isn't good enough for many and of course they are entitled to their point of view and for many it stinks of sitting on his bum expecting the world to owe him a favour or three but having read what the guy has posted I don't see it that way.
Maybe I've just got the rose coloured specs on. Maybe I'm just way too innocent for my advancing years or maybe I've been taken for a ride by the guy but he's come on here, asked the question and replied to responses. Live and let live n'est pas
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Well said Homer & nice 1 Tiger for trying to help the OP out:thup:
JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
Thank you for the reply and thanks for understanding.
Tiger has been an absolute help with this and has PM'd me a hell of a lot of information on how to get into the Golf Industry which is extremely appreciated as well as In The Rough. Got some great replies on here, some not so great but it's an open discussion from people from all different walks of life.
Certainly haven't taken you for a ride, would be a waste of everybody's time and seems fairly pointless to do so.
Cheers for the post.
JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
Hi mate,
No worries. Yeah that's a cracking benefit of the Army, you go all over the place. Sounds like you've had an interesting career for sure!
Definitely a single mans lifestyle, fair reason to leave that job for sure.
Yeah, there's definitely something that interests me about the Police. I guess I'm interested in most types of careers just if I'm not going to be in Golf or Fitness I think I'd be in the Police or some kind of Security job as an Officer at an airport and such.
Thanks for the offer Midnight, I'll be PM'ing you soon just to get a bit of information on certain things too.
Thanks for the help, you and a few others have been great to me. Really appreciated.
JackBrocklehurst
Assistant Pro
That will teach you for asking for advice on something other than golf from a bunch of golfers
Hahaha I guess it will!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
The services and the police have very good sports and golf teams, events etc.
I used to play with an ex army golf champ and he had a wonderful time for a few years representing the Army at golf around the world and the rest of the time playing with the senior officers.
I also know a few ex services guys who moved into golf management and have been very successful.
Jack, when I was your age most of the golf courses in Britain were run by retired Winco's and Colonels.
Perhaps that is an area you may wish to consider. You do seem to 'lighten up' when the services are mentioned.
The more strings to your bow the better.
Speaking of which I saw a van displaying a good business model for those who say they can't afford to start their own business.
It read........Garden services/ window cleaning/ car valeting.
Clever stuff, three bites at the same cherry.
I used to play with an ex army golf champ and he had a wonderful time for a few years representing the Army at golf around the world and the rest of the time playing with the senior officers.
I also know a few ex services guys who moved into golf management and have been very successful.
Jack, when I was your age most of the golf courses in Britain were run by retired Winco's and Colonels.
Perhaps that is an area you may wish to consider. You do seem to 'lighten up' when the services are mentioned.
The more strings to your bow the better.
Speaking of which I saw a van displaying a good business model for those who say they can't afford to start their own business.
It read........Garden services/ window cleaning/ car valeting.
Clever stuff, three bites at the same cherry.
