AmandaJR
Money List Winner
My anger and distaste was at Hendys post - although to be fair I'm not sure Del's was in the best of taste. Not having a pop but then having a pop all the same is...having a pop!
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dewsweeper
Tour Rookie
I agree with this.
As a 77 male golfer I play off 22.
I take driver at almost every par3.
I cannot make the fairway on most long holes.
I get 0.1 every comp.
I checked my posts and I was off 13 at the age of 70, downhill since then.
I also played off 9 for nearly 3 decades at my club and had moderate success.
I still manage to enjoy most of my golf but to paraphrase Star Trek "its golf Jim but not as we know it"
Golf should be an inclusive game but to be a little "ageist" I feel many male members under 55 think most women and older men should be culled!
I do not like struggling to break 100 but still love the game and being on the course.
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Prove me wrong.It's a bit like the Brexit/Racist argument. Not all elderly male golfers are mysoginistic by any stretch of the imagination, but chances are the ones that make misogynistic statements either through deliberate intent or ignorant stupidity are elderly and male.
Possibly the most misogynistic of the posts was made by someone in their mid-thirties.
Yet again you fall victim to your own prejudices.
As for the OP he could have expressed it better but he raised a valid question regarding the length of the course and carries off the tee . I do, however, struggle to see why he might expect the overall standard to be higher merely because it was an "open". The standard at many mens' "opens" can be equally as varied.
pogle
Head Pro
You just don't know when to stop digging, do you?
In general, the red ladies tees are only a few yards forward of the gents' yellow tees, but the majority of our ladies are much shorter hitting than the majority of the male golfers, even senior ones, so they are not really playing the same course. Unlike the men, ladies only have one choice of tee, unless they want to play off the gents tees. I was thinking that perhaps some even shorter tees could be provided for higher handicap ladies? That's all.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
I read the first post as Del had given up his time to show of his club in a good light by having ball spotters on certain holes. I play a lot of Opens and ball spotters are few and far between.
So credit for that Del and yes you're right there are some pretty ugly swings out there both male and female, putting strokes that leave a lot to be desired too. HiD struggles with distance off the tee and some of the Opens we play she'll not bother if it's Greensomes and I've got one away.
So credit for that Del and yes you're right there are some pretty ugly swings out there both male and female, putting strokes that leave a lot to be desired too. HiD struggles with distance off the tee and some of the Opens we play she'll not bother if it's Greensomes and I've got one away.
hovis
Tour Winner
They'll be wanted to vote next!!!!
craigstardis1976
Head Pro
I know I am probably tackling a sticky subject here so let me say at the outset I do not mean to insult or demean anyone.
Upthread is a post that states some senior women golfers find 130 yard drives is the result of a good drive. Assuming that includes roll, an average must be 110-115..a fair assumption? I am sure there are some senior men this applies too as well.
A couple of things come to mind...
1. Assuming they are not all suffering from a severe physical handicap and are using relatively modern equipment, would this not indicate not just a lack of strength but a lack of basic swing mechanics that could be remedied by a course of lessons? I am not saying it will turn a 130 yard hitter into a 200 yard hitter. But with a correct grip, alignment and takeaway (for example) may be the average could go to 130 and the best to 150? Do golf clubs perhaps offer group lessons to senior women members, say for an hour one evening a week...make it a social occasion. Little or no cost, chance to learn, practice, have a drink or a bite to eat in the bar afterwards. I cant see a down side to that.
2. Why not create a "universal tee" where seniors who hit this distance (or anyone else, newbies, kids, etc) can tee it up on a flat spot of fairway and play from there? Say up to 120 is a par 3, 230 a par 4 and upto 300 a par 5. Golfers can then play from thereand then progress to further tees should they wish to keep their handicap updated and so on?
Thanks,
Craig
Upthread is a post that states some senior women golfers find 130 yard drives is the result of a good drive. Assuming that includes roll, an average must be 110-115..a fair assumption? I am sure there are some senior men this applies too as well.
A couple of things come to mind...
1. Assuming they are not all suffering from a severe physical handicap and are using relatively modern equipment, would this not indicate not just a lack of strength but a lack of basic swing mechanics that could be remedied by a course of lessons? I am not saying it will turn a 130 yard hitter into a 200 yard hitter. But with a correct grip, alignment and takeaway (for example) may be the average could go to 130 and the best to 150? Do golf clubs perhaps offer group lessons to senior women members, say for an hour one evening a week...make it a social occasion. Little or no cost, chance to learn, practice, have a drink or a bite to eat in the bar afterwards. I cant see a down side to that.
2. Why not create a "universal tee" where seniors who hit this distance (or anyone else, newbies, kids, etc) can tee it up on a flat spot of fairway and play from there? Say up to 120 is a par 3, 230 a par 4 and upto 300 a par 5. Golfers can then play from thereand then progress to further tees should they wish to keep their handicap updated and so on?
Thanks,
Craig
Capella
Journeyman Pro
I think what many seniors are lacking, is not so much strength, but mobility. Their sometimes weird looking swing technique does not necessarily stem from lack of knowledge what a good swing would look like, but from not being able to perform that motion, even with more practice and help of a pro. I am not saying that lessons would not help them at all, but they would have to come from a pro who is very aware of that and does not try to force a swing on them. Plus, the older you get, the harder it becomes to learn knew skills and change established patterns. My parents both had lessons when they started playing, quite a few, actually, over the course of half a year or so, before they were even allowed to play (the German golf license thing again). It frustrated them very much and they only started really enjoying the game once they were free of that and could develop their own technique without someone looking on and judging all the time. Of course that does not have to be true for all seniors. I am just saying that some of them would rather just stick with what they have and just enjoy playing and would probably not be keen on group lessons at all.
My mum still outdrives me sometimes, btw, even though her swing looks very unconventional and not very powerful. She does not turn her body much at all, but rather a kind of pendulum swaying motion from side to side with her whole body. At least for the driver that seems to be working quite well for her.
My mum still outdrives me sometimes, btw, even though her swing looks very unconventional and not very powerful. She does not turn her body much at all, but rather a kind of pendulum swaying motion from side to side with her whole body. At least for the driver that seems to be working quite well for her.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I put myself forward at a previous club in the mixed greensomes and was paired with a rather novice, as I was to a degree, 30 handicapped lady. I did struggle at times being myself as I can be known to swear a little, not only after a bad shot, but in general conversation, so I was having to concentrate on my surroundings more which gave me something else to think about. Anyway, we won our match and we were asked if we were ok to play together for the rest of the fixture list, which I agreed to.
The next week the lady turned up in trousers on a really hot day, I asked her why and she said her legs were all scratched from the last round with me, she'd never been in the trees before 😂
Over the weeks we got on so well I had no issues with playing with a lady golfer of any ability, especially foursomes or greensones, because when they drive, your never chipping out on a 2nd shot, it's great being on the fairway from any distance!
I find lady golfers very self conscious, far more than high handicapped men and this us because they know how they are perceived by male members (or dicks), but I don't think there rounds on their ladies day take any longer than the men's, they be be short hitters but their rarely in trouble or taking time to look for balls continuously, so, I'd rather a few blue rinses on the course with their divot bags hanging from their trolleys and always use the bar afterwards than some of the old gits who don't repair pitch marks, dig their balls out the hole with their putters and jump straight back in the car.
The next week the lady turned up in trousers on a really hot day, I asked her why and she said her legs were all scratched from the last round with me, she'd never been in the trees before 😂
Over the weeks we got on so well I had no issues with playing with a lady golfer of any ability, especially foursomes or greensones, because when they drive, your never chipping out on a 2nd shot, it's great being on the fairway from any distance!
I find lady golfers very self conscious, far more than high handicapped men and this us because they know how they are perceived by male members (or dicks), but I don't think there rounds on their ladies day take any longer than the men's, they be be short hitters but their rarely in trouble or taking time to look for balls continuously, so, I'd rather a few blue rinses on the course with their divot bags hanging from their trolleys and always use the bar afterwards than some of the old gits who don't repair pitch marks, dig their balls out the hole with their putters and jump straight back in the car.
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Capella
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Oh Smiff ... you are a true 15 year old at heart, aren't you
Is the correct answer.
And it's SMIFFY
North Mimms
Tour Winner
It's an Open, not The Open
Most Club Opens attract a range of golfers, not just the young or low handicappers. Ladies don't go and play in an Open because they play off 11 and are in with a chance of winning. They go to play a different course for a reasonable price.
As a 16 hcp player, who hits a reasonable length ball (for an old bird...), I rarely reached the 3rd green in 2 at Del's club. Mainly because I made a conscious decision to lay up to avoid the cross bunker and hit a safe wedge on for 3.
No-one who has met him could accuse Del of being sexist against female golfers- he might not have liked the golf he saw, but at least he was kind enough to volunteer to ball spot at this ladies' event.
But some of the other comments on this thread?
The 1950s are <<<< thataway
louise_a
Money List Winner
I didn't see anything wrong with Del's OP which is why I responded to it, some of the subsequent comments however have been shocking.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
(Hendy's post snipped to remove the worst of the BS)
I played with an 80 year old lady yesterday.
She certainly hits her driver further than 50 yards.
In fact making such a ridiculous assertion just makes your entire post look even more stupid. (If that were possible...)
EDIT- Mods please DON'T delete Hendy's post.
Sometimes it's good to see rubbish left on diplay. Especially when it's full of typos like his
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Agree about Hendy's post, but you really shouldn't mention typos without checking your own first 😃
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You haven't played golf with my wife, she has had a number of individual and group lessons(on the basis you say above, therefore some club do and are a great idea). Strength and Technique is for most only a very small element of the most important speed/strike and therefore how far a ball goes.
We have had our little speed radar out on the course and she only swings a driver at about 65-70 mph max, there is no more there, that is it. I don't think she could pull the skin off the custard with the speed of her swing.:rofl: As a result 150 yards is like her sunday summer best and that hasn't really changed, all that has changed is that she is slightly more consistent but her putting and chipping is a lot better now as we play more. To her credit she is unbeaten in crazy golf on holiday LOL.
Hmm! Perhaps I should have kept quiet, because I didn't play much better than some of the old ladies in yesterday's Seniors competition! 
My dear late wife played golf for a few years and never got lower than a 34 handicap. She had a nice swing, but I discovered that she became ultra-competitive on a golf course and threw herself at every shot in an effort to out hit me and everyone else! If she had calmed down a bit she might have been quite good. Unfortunately, probably not surprisingly, she injured her shoulder quite badly and had to give up the game.
My dear late wife played golf for a few years and never got lower than a 34 handicap. She had a nice swing, but I discovered that she became ultra-competitive on a golf course and threw herself at every shot in an effort to out hit me and everyone else! If she had calmed down a bit she might have been quite good. Unfortunately, probably not surprisingly, she injured her shoulder quite badly and had to give up the game.
