Labour and the SNP

[Blue in Munich]

It's like missing a bus, this thread; you see it disappearing into the distance thinking 'oh well, that's that then', and lo and behold.....another one turns up shortly afterwards.......same destination and quite often the same driver as well.

PMSL!! :rofl: :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Neither of those courses are in Bristol :rofl:

Quite near though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-fast-moving-world-of-news/#more-72474

Is this not a good example of Wings reporting?
Six days of known lies reported by the Times.
And some folk say the SNP as 'sheep'.
Please read and understand.

 

[FairwayDodger]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-fast-moving-world-of-news/#more-72474

Is this not a good example of Wings reporting?
Six days of known lies reported by the Times.
And some folk say the SNP as 'sheep'.
Please read and understand.

Ok, so is this deliberate bias and manipulation in a bizarre and vile attempt to undermine the SNP or general incompetence or even just an IT error?

This (the wos) report is exactly the kind bias and stirring that many are so upset about. They spend their lives looking for anything, no matter how innocuous, that they can portray as anti-Scottish and twist it as far as they can. For no reason other than to forward their agenda.

And you moan about bias in the mainstream media! I think you are the one who needs to take a step back and apply some critical thought before posting such nonsense.

The worst thing is, occasionally they might actually raise a genuine concern but it is lost in amongst the paranoid rantings.

 

[SocketRocket]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-fast-moving-world-of-news/#more-72474

Is this not a good example of Wings reporting?
Six days of known lies reported by the Times.
And some folk say the SNP as 'sheep'.
Please read and understand.

Wont keep me awake at night!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wont keep me awake at night!

I know that but imagine if it was an 'English' problem.

Say the Times reported that one of Andy Burnham's Labour leader election promises was to cut public income to the Queen.
The report was immediately shown up as a total lie but the story was re-reported for six days.
Would that get your attention.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

OP is asking what next for Scottish politics and in particular the Labour Party in Scotland. I don't know if it can quickly recover a good position in Scotland in the next few years; can it do well in the Scottish Elections next year; will it be in any state to take advantage of SNP mess-ups, broken promises, lies? Or does it have to break from Labour UK and start up on it's own as Scottish Labour to be an effective opposition to the SNP. Will things ever be the same again in Scottish politics. Or maybe it's the time for the Scottish Tories and the 1950s revisited.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

As things stand the 2016 elections will be a total romp for the SNP. It may be a situation where the only opposition party MSP's will be list members.

You only have to look at the Labour leadership to see how devoid of talent they are. I can't believe that this is the best they can gather.
An independent Scottish Tory party would be the only real opposition, perhaps in 2020.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As things stand the 2016 elections will be a total romp for the SNP. It may be a situation where the only opposition party MSP's will be list members.

You only have to look at the Labour leadership to see how devoid of talent they are. I can't believe that this is the best they can gather.
An independent Scottish Tory party would be the only real opposition, perhaps in 2020.

As things stand - maybe - but the Holyrood elections aren't tomorrow. Can Labour sort themselves in next 6-9months to take advantage of SNP weakness etc. So even if they aren't able to get into a position to challenge and win seats on policy and candidates - can they win seats as the only alternative to the SNP? Or is that role more likely to be filled by the Tories.

 

[Spuddy]

As things stand - maybe - but the Holyrood elections aren't tomorrow. Can Labour sort themselves in next 6-9months to take advantage of SNP weakness etc. So even if they aren't able to get into a position to challenge and win seats on policy and candidates - can they win seats as the only alternative to the SNP? Or is that role more likely to be filled by the Tories.

If Kezia Dugdale becomes Scottish Labour Leader then no. She won't change anything and refuses to believe that they've made any mistakes.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If Kezia Dugdale becomes Scottish Labour Leader then no. She won't change anything and refuses to believe that they've made any mistakes.

If Dugdale is elected then I can see the Greens becoming the second party.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

If Dugdale is elected then I can see the Greens becoming the second party.

Now you're being silly. UKIP got more votes than the Greens in Scotland at the GE.

Labour got more than 18 votes for every Green vote.

 

[alexbrownmp]

Now you're being silly. UKIP got more votes than the Greens in Scotland at the GE.

Labour got more than 18 votes for every Green vote.

*Now*.......? think again. The man sees many things in his world that mere mortals or those deemed to be normal cannot see. I wonder what the weather is like in bubble land.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Now you're being silly. UKIP got more votes than the Greens in Scotland at the GE.

Labour got more than 18 votes for every Green vote.

Are you aware of how the Scottish voting system works?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Are you aware of how the Scottish voting system works?

I did actually look at it this morning. I still struggle to see how a party that got 1.3% of votes would suddenly become the second vote for everyone (I assume that you think most SNP voters will choose a green candidate with their second vote?).

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I did actually look at it this morning. I still struggle to see how a party that got 1.3% of votes would suddenly become the second vote for everyone (I assume that you think most SNP voters will choose a green candidate with their second vote?).

Glad you looked at it, was that before or after your post
It is a good system, FGS we even have a UKIP MSP.

The Greens have a good alliance with the SNP and some good SMP's
I naturally assume that nearly all of the SNP voters will give the Greens the second vote, but who do you think will get the second vote of the remaining Tory/Labour voters ?

 

[Spuddy]

I did actually look at it this morning. I still struggle to see how a party that got 1.3% of votes would suddenly become the second vote for everyone (I assume that you think most SNP voters will choose a green candidate with their second vote?).

An awful lot of them will. It's playing the system to get as many pro independence MSPs back. If the SNP repeat the sort of constituency result as they did in May then they'll likely have no (or very few) list MSPs even if all of their voters from the first vote chose them again in the 2nd vote.

 

[Spuddy]

Glad you looked at it, was that before or after your post
It is a good system, FGS we even have a UKIP MSP.

The Greens have a good alliance with the SNP and some good SMP's
I naturally assume that nearly all of the SNP voters will give the Greens the second vote, but who do you think will get the second vote of the remaining Tory/Labour voters ?

There's no UKIP MSPs. They did however grab one of the MEP spots last time out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

*Now*.......? think again. The man sees many things in his world that mere mortals or those deemed to be normal cannot see. I wonder what the weather is like in bubble land.

I remember getting similar nasty abuse when, about 3 months ago, I predicted the SNP picking up between 35 to 40 Westminster seats.

Do you have to be so rude, I am only expressing an opinion.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There's no UKIP MSPs. They did however grab one of the MEP spots last time out.

Of course.....sorry forgot