Just when you think America can’t get any crazier…

[Foxholer]

People have told me if they want to be religious I should let them be.
Fine.
However, I draw the line when they use their religious beliefs to make laws that affect the way other people live their life.
Unfortunately, I think Roe v Wade is just the beginning.

I believe you actually mean Dobbs v Jackson!
FWIW. Not all anti-abortion folk are 'religious zealouts', though many or even most 'religious zealouts' seem, to me, to be anti-abortion.
Of course, it's another demonstration of both the benefits and the deficiencies of US's democracy!

 

[Foxholer]

...
But I'm still asking you to provide a quote (from the OT or NT) which clearly states that removing an unborn from a woman is wrong.

Forgot about/missed this.
The 'standard' response is that Exodus 21:22-25 indicates that it's a crime, but not a capital (life-for-life) one. Though there are other another translation/interpretation that sets both sets a period when the punishment is only a fine, after which (when fully formed) it's a life-for-life one.
This article refers...https://humanjourney.org.uk/articles/exodus-21-and-abortion/
That said, Jewish Law, from which much of the Old Testament is derived/refers to, allows (and may even require) an abortion to to be performed if the mother's life is in danger. Other references indicate that a foetus is not considered a 'real person' until after its 40th day.

 

[bobmac]

I believe you actually mean Dobbs v Jackson!

Wrong.
Back on my ignore list you go

 

[Foxholer]

Wrong.
Back on my ignore list you go

Ah! 'Truth denier' mode again!
The effect of Dobbs v Jackson was to overturn Roe v Wade! Effectively, Roe v Wade no longer exists in US law.

 

[bobmac]

Can someone explain to Foxy that as I have him on ignore, I can't see anything he writes so he's wasting his time replying.
Thanks

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Can someone explain to Foxy that as I have him on ignore, I can't see anything he writes so he's wasting his time replying.
Thanks

Bob, what he has said is
"

The effect of Dobbs v Jackson was to overturn Roe v Wade! Effectively, Roe v Wade no longer exists in US law."

Iow, this latest Supreme Court decision is D vJ. The previous binding decision, which required all States to allow abortion, is R v W.
R v W has now been changed by D v J.

Which means he was right?

 

[bobmac]

Bob, what he has said is
"

The effect of Dobbs v Jackson was to overturn Roe v Wade! Effectively, Roe v Wade no longer exists in US law."

Iow, this latest Supreme Court decision is D vJ. The previous binding decision, which required all States to allow abortion, is R v W.
R v W has now been changed by D v J.

Which means he was right?

I'm not interested in what he said, I'm just sick and tired of him.

 

[stefanovic]

You don't even have to do that.
I'll raise you Deuteronomy 21:20-21
“This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death

Raise you further: What does the Psalm 137:9 verse mean in the Bible that says “happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”? - Quora

But of course it doesn't mean what it says. It means just the opposite!
Explanation: Either theists' minds are wired up another way, or like Dawkins may argue there is a gene for religion which encourages people to avoid awkward passages from their scripture.
There is also more than just a suspicion that most people who call themselves Christians have never read much of the Bible.

 

[Imurg]

I've been humming Green Day's American Idiot for days now..........

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Reading this thread, both America and The Forum are overrun by religious zealots


Lets keep politics out of this thread please, or it will go the way of others

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Reading this thread, both America and The Forum are overrun by religious zealots


Lets keep politics out of this thread please, or it will go the way of others

I have to say that I‘ve not spotted many of these on my side of that particular fence…??. And I get that.

 

[DanFST]

Nope not really.
People seem terrified of guns for no good reason.
I wouldn’t think for a second about getting shot in America.
What I do think though is their right to keep firearms is a positive and something that should never have been removed here.
It was only removed here to stop workers revolting after the Second World War.

Cool, I lived in in CA for just under 2 years.

I've seen 7 people get shot. I've lived here for 29 years, seen 0.

 

[Brads]

You witnessed 7 shootings ?
I’d call that bad luck
Most Americans I’ve known or worked
With have never seen one.

 

[Beezerk]

Jehovah’s witnesses
Vile people.

Customer of mine is a JW, he's a genuinely lovely bloke. I've known him years and I only found out he is JW when one of my colleagues told me last year.

 

[stefanovic]

USA is a nation of nations. A cult of cults. A land so insular the inhabitants have difficulty naming other countries and are largely oblivious to world events.

It is founded on contradictions, like from a bundle of different cultures immigrants soon become integrated all Americans. Guns are fine but abortion is not.

But what do I know? I've been there 3 times as a tourist and for me it's always felt more like a foreign land than anywhere else I've ever been.
They were usually surprised to find that as a foreigner I actually spoke English.

 

[Rooter]

For a nation that is on the cutting edge of business, technology, and economics. Damn, they are a backward nation.

If this wasn't a shout for a minimum IQ for a voting card, then I don't know what is.

 

[Don Barzini]

Nope not really.
People seem terrified of guns for no good reason.
I wouldn’t think for a second about getting shot in America.
What I do think though is their right to keep firearms is a positive and something that should never have been removed here.
It was only removed here to stop workers revolting after the Second World War.

I wonder how many of the (roughly) 321 people shot by a gun every day in the US think the same?

 

[D-S]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1542208980235296770

Says it all.

 

[IanM]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1542208980235296770

Says it all.

This forum needs a "blooming nora" button!

 

[GreiginFife]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1542208980235296770

Says it all.

Mississippi though, probably proudly proclaims “ma momma is also ma sista…”

Nothing surprises me from bushwhackin rednecks like this.