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It’s an unbelievable step backwards, and the hypocrisy of those who say their guns can’t be taken away, but are happy to take away the rights of women! I fear this is a slippery slope with same sex marriage on the radar.

I’m not religious, and my general view is I have nothing against those that are religious, if it brings joy to people’s lives then crack on, but when it’s used as an excuse to push archaic ideas, it’s too far.

I also suspect there is an element of racism in the decision, (not a surprise for the States!)…..
https://twitter.com/x/status/1540864472654532611
 
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stefanovic said:
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So the OT is the book of myth and fable, but the NT is where it all comes good!?
Let me tell you this. No man has ever had a ghost (or spirit if you prefer) for a father. No man has ever been virgin born. No man has ever survived death to walk again.
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There are 'natural' explanations for both the bold and italicised bits. The other is a matter of faith, which anyone is welcome to believe in or not, likewise their belief in Genesis which, I'm selective/sceptical about . The Flood/Ark could have happened - but with the 'passengers' and effects limited to 'the known world'. As stated earlier, I'm not an OT adherent. Nor, actually a Christian. But, having spent some time with Pentecostalists, have observed some pretty peculiar phenomena.
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But I'm still asking you to provide a quote (from the OT or NT) which clearly states that removing an unborn from a woman is wrong.
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Not something to direct to me. I'm not anti-abortion! The late Justice RBG's view(s) seem spot on for me. I'm not sure whether it's all a consequence of Trump or whether Trump's election was simply a (poorly timed imo) consequence of 'natural' ebbs/flows of any country's attitudes.

FWIW, I find the preaching/proselytising of atheists just as 'offensive' as that of extreme Christian preachers!
 
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Will somebody please remind me what The thread title is?
The England v New Zealand game is absorbing.

Oh I have gone off track- just like the majority of posts these days!
 
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3offTheTee said:
Will somebody please remind me what The thread title is?
The England v New Zealand game is absorbing.

Oh I have gone off track- just like the majority of posts these days!
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The USA Supreme Court has basically just made abortion illegal, some say on religious grounds.
Some aren't happy about that
 
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stefanovic said:
The Bible is full of passages which incite murder, and not just homosexuals and witches.

I'll do a bit of cherry-picking from Exodus: “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death."

That's not very nice is it, and what happened to forgiveness?
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You said there was no reference to it, I just pointed one out... no evaluation was made by me
 
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bobmac said:
The USA Supreme Court has basically just made abortion illegal, some say on religious grounds.
Some aren't happy about that
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Not sure they have made it illegal...but they have removed an automatic right to it.
(In what I read. Is that correct? )

However, the practicalities of that will no doubt emerge in the forthcoming months
 
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IanM said:
Not sure they have made it illegal...but they have removed an automatic right to it.
(In what I read. Is that correct? )

However, the practicalities of that will no doubt emerge in the forthcoming months
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Abortion will not automatically become illegal in the US - but individual states will now be allowed to decide if and how to allow abortions.
 
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Wilson said:
It’s an unbelievable step backwards, and the hypocrisy of those who say their guns can’t be taken away, but are happy to take away the rights of women! I fear this is a slippery slope with same sex marriage on the radar.

I’m not religious, and my general view is I have nothing against those that are religious, if it brings joy to people’s lives then crack on, but when it’s used as an excuse to push archaic ideas, it’s too far.

I also suspect there is an element of racism in the decision, (not a surprise for the States!)…..
https://twitter.com/x/status/1540864472654532611
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Religion is not ‘simply’ about bringing joy to people’s lives, it’s more about a way of thinking and a way of living for the individual, and how they can contribute to and support others in society. It is very difficult for very many Christians that some evangelical Biblical literalist denominations choose to interpret out of context writings in books centuries old that were written at different times and in the contexts of their very different times.

When I, and those of my denomination (I cannot speak for other denominations), read or listen to any extract from any of the books of the Bible, I listen for the word of God, I do not listen to the word of God. There is a very big difference. That those on the evangelical Christian right in the US choose to take what is written literally and interpret and apply it to support and justify their specific views on any matter is very difficult and indeed upsetting for very many of us having a Christian faith.

Just saying.
 
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