Just an observation ……that might not go down well.

[haplesshacker]

No harm is meant. But as in the title just an observation.

Why is it that that all of a sudden so many are experts at the nuances of football. I can only assume that everyone was a pro at some point.

The reason I ask is that so many golfers won't take advice or observations / well meant comments from another golfer who's handicap is 0.1 higher than theirs!

So. Why is football different.

As mentioned earlier. No argument intended.

Just interested in the physcy of it all.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Was an OK non-league player in my time including a 24 minute appearance as a trialist at a Ryman Div 3 south team (injured and came off - went back to Sunday morning games) anda qualified ref so know enough to make a balanced if judgemental call. Like a lot of others I'm not happy with the state of the modern game in the PL, Champions League and all the way to FIFA who I happen to think are responsible for corroding the game

 

[iwtuk]

Why is it that that all of a sudden so many are experts at the nuances of football. I can only assume that everyone was a pro at some point.

The reason I ask is that so many golfers won't take advice or observations / well meant comments from another golfer who's handicap is 0.1 higher than theirs!

So. Why is football different.

As mentioned earlier. No argument intended.

Just interested in the physcy of it all.

Given the abject performances to date, it is, on my part at least, more frustration than anything else, and 'offering advice' to Capello is simply a means of letting off steam. On the basis that we can't get any worse (Ok, we can!), I think Fabio should log on to the forum and take some of the tips being offered!

 

[Sneds]

Every single game of football I watch recently makes me more and more disillusioned with the game. It clouds impartiality, if you dive and win a penalty for 'your team', nobody cares about the dive - just the chance to score. If somebody dives against you and wins a penalty, it is an opportunity to scream some profanities towards the individual.

I had the misfortune of joining a few friends at a pub last night and it only accelerated my pity for the few that let football take over their life. I used to see the romance in football, but now I can't bear to watch it. x

 

[HomerJSimpson]

That's the one thing I'm missing in the world cup - being able to go to the pub and have a few beers with my mates. I know I'm easily led and so would soon be on the beers with inevitable consequences healthwise. I actually think watching it in isolation at home is harder - there isn't the collective suffering you get watching it in a pub/club

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Here is a well balanced, well thought out opinion, that speaks for itself.


" England were RUBBISH, My Grannie could have done better and shes dead"

Succinct and to the point.

seriously I think that every bloke has played footie at some point, they regularly watch it and know when it is going wrong.

It would be interesting to pluck some bloke off the street and put him in charge of Man United for 2 months

Would the results be any better?

we shall never know.

Id like to see Joe Cole Involved in the next game

Fragger

 

[DingleBerry]

Played semi pro football for 5 seasons so i like to think i know the game!! Its not that i think im a expert but i have a passion and just know football[ever HEARD THE SAYING READING THE GAME] like a Golfer who plays off scratch knows his swing!!

 

[haplesshacker]

Just to clarify. This wasn't a post along the lines of 'who are we to comment on players and tactics unless we are better than those on the field'. Fwiw, I also think we played badly.

It was a question relating to past threads on here relating the comments made about the English football team and advice or helpful comments made by folks with higher handicaps than the person asking the question.

Yes, we have some footballers on here. But aren't they the footballs equivilent of a high h'capper?

Why is it okay to 'know' so much about football and give 'advice' to what is supposedly the best the English have to offer, when, a 16 hcaper gives 'advice' to a 12 h'capper is not?

As I said. This is not an argument, just an interest into the phycy of welcome and unwelcome advice.

 

[DingleBerry]

COME ON WE ARE ALL EXPERTS!!! LOL

 

[CrapHacker]

Why is it that that all of a sudden so many are experts at the nuances of football. I can only assume that everyone was a pro at some point.

As mentioned earlier. No argument intended.

Just interested in the physcy of it all.

In the best interest of pub discussion...

Rubbish !

You don't have to be a pro at football to know anything about it. Guys like Wenger and Mourinho aren't ex top pros, so the link from pro to expert is nul and void, for starters.

Also, I'll bet that most of the guys here who voice an opinion have watched more games of football than most pros, and there fore seen plenty of 'nuances' of football.

We're also not offering advice to fellow forumers, we're offering unheard opinions. Which happen to coincide with plenty of other non experts out there. Maybe the 'experts' are trying to be too clever.

You don't need to be an expert to know that some things are unlikely to work ( EG Heskey ). If, as a manager you try the gamble and it works, you are a hero. If you try the rediculous and it doesn't work, so you change it, you are a good pro. If you try the rediculous, it fails, but you stick with it, then you are open to criticism.

I'll put money on that I've watched more England matches than Capello. I know what won't work in this World Cup. Capello doesn't seem to understand why the guys failed.

That squad is not the one I think should be out there. But there are enough good players to do reasonably well, both in terms of results, but also performance. Capello is using tactics that have failed England in the past, and they are failing now.

The England players are successful under their domestic managers, so a lot of the England manager's skills are about man management. I know a bit about man management. I've watched thousands of games.

I'm more than entitled to my opinion.

 

[haplesshacker]

I love it when someone says 'rubbish' to one persons comment and the goes on to say that they're entitled to their own opinion

I would have agreed with your point. Right up to the 'I am more than entitled to my opinion'.

More so than who? Me?

Surely we are all entitled to an opinion.

But that is the point about what was originally a question in my first post.
I think the point of the thread has been lost.

 

[JustOne]

I phoned my mate last night to see if he was watching the game - he was out. I asked his missus if SHE was watching and she said she was, but doesn't follow football. Then she chirped up with...

"Why don't they take that Heskey fella off and put on a better player?"

I'm thinking we could all chip in and get HER to be the next England Manager?

 

[haplesshacker]

Just re-read my last post. It may have come across a little more 'venomous' than I intended. Apologies CH.

The kids are on full tilt in wind up dad mode today. So trying to answer with a level head is testing. Thus I've locked myself in the dunny for a moment!!

 

[Spinn77]

Most lads grow up playing and watching it. For my part, as a youth i was involved with a couple of semi-pro sides and university got in the way of it too much.

Even so, anyone who watches carefully over the years, who has no real ability with the ball themselves, can and often does 'understand the game', as an ex player (short in stature and a real lightwieght!!), my strength was my touch, vision and reading of the game.

That's why so many people become 'experts'. Its no big deal. For Capello's part - it's beyond me how he refuses to ignore J Cole and insists on 442. we dont keep the ball well enough and....Christ...Im doing it again....

I do draw a line at the token idiot in any pub who'll shout absolute nonesense at the screen, usually when everyone is quiet - i can't justify that guy!

 

[CrapHacker]

Just re-read my last post. It may have come across a little more 'venomous' than I intended. Apologies CH.

The kids are on full tilt in wind up dad mode today. So trying to answer with a level head is testing. Thus I've locked myself in the dunny for a moment!!

No sweat. Like I said, this is a pub discussion. Worthy of grit and feeling. Not like the pre election discussions, all controlled and worthless.

I rant, you rant back. We have a pint.

That's football.

 

[CrapHacker]

I phoned my mate last night to see if he was watching the game - he was out. I asked his missus if SHE was watching and she said she was, but doesn't follow football. Then she chirped up with...

"Why don't they take that Heskey fella off and put on a better player?"

I'm thinking we could all chip in and get HER to be the next England Manager?

I had to pop out at half time to drop my daughter off, and I missed the beginning of the second half.

HID hates football, but wanted to watch this one so she could understand why it was so important.

When I came back in she asked

'Why does the big black bloke keep falling over ?'

 

[RGDave]

Just interested in the physcy of it all.

I'll let you know the answer when I've worked out the question.

 

[USER1999]

I's all junk. I have never played footy, ever. We played rugby at school. I have played basket ball, rugby, hockey, cricket, I fenced to a good level, I mountain bike, golf (to a crap level), swimming (pretty good back in the day), squash and tennis.

However, I have spent both England matches so far screaming at the telly for Joe Cole to be brought on. I know nothing, but I don't think I am wrong.

I also wondered why the french had Thierry Henry on the bench, and yet at 2-nil down didn't put him on. At what point would they have played him? 5-nil down? Why have him there if you aren't going to play him?

As I said, I know nothing about footy. I only ever watch the Arse. Have done for 30 years.

 

[colint]

You don't have to be a great player in a sport to recognise when something is rubbish. I haven't heard many people trying to give the team technical advice, more like asking why a certain player is playing, or why someone who is paid £100k a week can't take a corner.

None of us will ever be as good a golfer as Jean Van Der Velde, but we all could probably tell him a better way of playing the 18th at St Andrews

For me, the England game made me realise that I don't really give a stuff about football anymore. I'll always be an Everton fan, but other than that football has been relegated a couple of divisions in my interests. Overpaid, over rated, out of touch, self important knobs most of them

 

[drawboy]

I am English therefore an authority on every subject you can think of especially football and I feel I am capable of managing every team in the world cup to glory, once I've had a few pints that is