John Bercow - right or wrong?

[FairwayDodger]

Anyone would think that we are dealing with another Saddam Hussein.

Trump was elected fair and square. Half the electorate in a free, civilised society chose him as their leader. The high anti-Trump feeling especially over here is baffling.

Less than half #pedantgirl

 

[Val]

There was an old saying in the military about respecting the man/women or rank but not the person, that for me is very relevant in this instance. Respect his position as POTUS but you don't have to respect him.

 

[SocketRocket]

Maybe some rich Lawyer or Hairdresser will think Bercow is acting beyond his remit and take out a high court injunction insisting Parliament should vote on the issue.

Well, this type of thing has happened before.

 

[IanM]

Maybe some rich Lawyer or Hairdresser will think Bercow is acting beyond his remit and take out a high court injunction insisting Parliament should vote on the issue.

Well, this type of thing has happened before.

ah ha

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm sure there may be a person along any time now. A defender of democracy on their white charger. Any time now,,,,,,,,,now,,,,,,,,,,now. Are the cameras ready yet?

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't deny Bercow his opinions as he is entitled to them just like everyone else in a free country. What I really don't like is the petulant and unprofessional way he has taken advantage of his position. If he has an objection to Trump addressing Parliament then he should discuss his view with the other 'Keyholders' at Westminster and then an official statement could be made. His bandstanding outburst was unstatesman like.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That is quite amusing as on Radio 5 Live at 5pm Salmond was singing his praises of Bercow to the rafters following the Speakers announcement on Trump.
I quote "4 more years for Speaker Bercow!"

Why is it amusing....Berkow was not in the chair for the Brexit debate, his deputy was.

 

[Sweep]

Why is it amusing....Berkow was not in the chair for the Brexit debate, his deputy was.

Oh that's such a shame.

 

[Sweep]

Wrong - at least in this case!
This is not about inviting him to speak! It's about NOT inviting him to speak!

I suggest you look elsewhere for any 'misinterpretation'!

It's about both, but you just carry on.

 

[Foxholer]

Maybe some rich Lawyer or Hairdresser will think Bercow is acting beyond his remit and take out a high court injunction insisting Parliament should vote on the issue.

Well, this type of thing has happened before.

They could - but I'm certain they'd lose!

He is, however, only 1 of the 3 'Keyholders' involved, so could be outvoted! I strongly suspect that it won't come that though!

I'm also pretty certain that, given his obvious strong opinion on the matter, he won't be in the Speaker's chair during either of the scheduled debates on the subject - if either/both actually happen, as I suspect 'diplomacy' will ensure that there is not a request/invitation to speak!

So a storm in a teacup really!

 

[Foxholer]

It's about both, but you just carry on.

That may be your (mis?)interpretation!

Kindly refrain from 'interpretation' of my posts! Simply read (and maybe absorb) the actual text! I try to be unambiguous, but have been known to fail that goal! If you need further explanation, feel free to question, but please DON'T ASSUME!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sorry, I don't see the connection.
To me this is about whether the Speaker was right or wrong to say what he did in the place where he said it and whether he overstepped his duties.
The fact that you attach this to the EU issue speaks volumes on your views that Brexit detrimentally affects every facet of your life.
I voted leave. I don't like Trump. The fact that he agrees with me on Brexit is one tiny, tiny part of a huge issue and nothing to do with whether he should address both Houses or not.

Oh pleeeasse - you do sometimes make me laugh so.

It was a simple question that might indicate whether there is any correlation between those who are complaining about Bercow and those who voted Leave. And if there is a direct correlation teh question would then be Why?

My anecdotal experience of yesterday and today is that the correlation is very strong, So tell me - assuming that you are supportive of leaving the EU - are you supportive of the statement of Speaker Bercow?

 

[Sweep]

That may be your (mis?)interpretation!

Kindly refrain from 'interpretation' of my posts! Simply read (and maybe absorb) the actual text! I try to be unambiguous, but have been known to fail that goal! If you need further explanation, feel free to question, but please DON'T ASSUME!

When you start these little spats with other forumers, do you consider for one minute that others may be bored by them?
It has been noted by others that you do seem to target people. Maybe it's my turn. Whatever, I really don't care.
Now, why don't we let everyone else get back on topic?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Nobody is stopping him from speaking in the UK, nobody. They are simply stopping him from speaking in a particular location where you can only speak if invited.

And in a location and to an audience that he will use to his maximum advantage back in the states as justification of his policies. Whatever our MPs and Lords think of him, he will twist the facts and lie to make it appear that both houses were in complete agreement with him. And he is determined to wreck the EU - he and his buddy Bannon have stated that explicitly - and that would be very harmful and dangerous (IMO) to the security of the UK - and most probably also economically.

 

[Sweep]

Oh pleeeasse - you do sometimes make me laugh so.

It was a simple question that might indicate whether there is any correlation between those who are complaining about Bercow and those who voted Leave. And if there is a direct correlation teh question would then be Why?

My anecdotal experience of yesterday and today is that the correlation is very strong, So tell me - assuming that you are supportive of leaving the EU - are you supportive of the statement of Speaker Bercow?

I think I have already explained that I voted leave, that I don't likeTrump and I am uncomfortable with the Speakers actions. Three different subjects. I think I have already made clear that I do not see any correlation between leavers and complaining about Bercow. I think the issues with the President of the US are a lot wider than the UK leaving the EU, particularly as he is a foreign national, the leader of the free world and involved in matters that relate more to the US and American people. Just because Sir Nige gets on well with him doesn't change anything in relation to this subject. You may as well ask if all those Indians who believe man walked on the moon voted for Mrs Ghandi? Does that answer your simple question?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There was an old saying in the military about respecting the man/women or rank but not the person, that for me is very relevant in this instance. Respect his position as POTUS but you don't have to respect him.

In the way that Trump said he respected Putin - then went on to defend Putin's internal Russian human rights record by saying that it was no worse than the USAs. Oh yes - the USA is just as much a killer and represser of human rights and free speech than Russia - well maybe that's Trump's vision for the USA. Many American commentators find that comment by Trump almost treasonable in it's awfulness.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Maybe some rich Lawyer or Hairdresser will think Bercow is acting beyond his remit and take out a high court injunction insisting Parliament should vote on the issue.

Well, this type of thing has happened before.

Wouldn't happen as the risk to May and the Tories would be too great were they to lose a vote of confidence.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think I have already explained that I voted leave, that I don't likeTrump and I am uncomfortable with the Speakers actions. Three different subjects. I think I have already made clear that I do not see any correlation between leavers and complaining about Bercow. I think the issues with the President of the US are a lot wider than the UK leaving the EU, particularly as he is a foreign national, the leader of the free world and involved in matters that relate more to the US and American people. Just because Sir Nige gets on well with him doesn't change anything in relation to this subject. You may as well ask if all those Indians who believe man walked on the moon voted for Mrs Ghandi? Does that answer your simple question?

You might not see any correlation - I suggest that you are not looking hard enough as you do not want there to be any correlation.

 

[Foxholer]

When you start these little spats with other forumers, do you consider for one minute that others may be bored by them?
It has been noted by others that you do seem to target people. Maybe it's my turn. Whatever, I really don't care.
Now, why don't we let everyone else get back on topic?

Rock on to your heart's content. I'm simply correcting your misinterpretation of my (on-topic!) post(s!!)! It does, indeed, get pretty boring having to do so!

I repeat... Kindly refrain from (mis)interpreting my posts! They are actually worded quite carefully!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well it didn't last long until it turned into another forum boxing match between the same posters - it's just another extension of the Article 50 thread now