Itv leaders debate.

[Doon frae Troon]

Strange, people who have no intention of voting wasted 2 hrs of their lives.

:lol: well spotted.

 

[bluewolf]

But they are all tainted in some way - so who gets the vote ? The one less tainted

How is each individual candidate tainted? Do you know them personally? You are making the "Easy" choice by abstaining. You are actively encouraging the system you despise.. You have to know that the only real power in a democracy is the electorate.. By abstaining from voting, you are giving power to the amoral, criminal politicians..

 

[bluewolf]

Now (provided yer not going to fiddle expenses) that's the kind of honesty that could get my vote.

Lol.. I have numerous issues, but one thing I am not is a thief..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Another quesiton

As I was growing up I always believed that Labour used to look after the working people and the Tories used to look after the rich and suits

These days it seems that no one looks after general Jo public - the rich seem to get richer whilst everyone else works their butts off every day but are an afterthought

None of the leaders of Prob imo have done an honest days work in their life - so how can they look after the majority of the country - why do the rich seem to get richer , how can someone born with a silver spoon preach about looking after the working population ?

Is there someone out there who is close to the majority of the population , someone who understands and can be respectes , someone who can be trusted and will do their best to try and change things ? If there is someone who can do that then he and his party would get my vote

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How is each individual candidate tainted? Do you know them personally? You are making the "Easy" choice by abstaining. You are actively encouraging the system you despise.. You have to know that the only real power in a democracy is the electorate.. By abstaining from voting, you are giving power to the amoral, criminal politicians..

Sorry I'll re word it - every party is tainted and that person represents that party

It's not the easy choice not to vote - I believe it's the right thing to do if someone believes there is no one that deserves their vote.

 

[c1973]

Without condoning anything it should be obvious that different "offences" have a different connotation to different individuals. As someone who has experienced rather a lot of homophobic abuse and discrimination it's a red line issue for me, something that is very real in my life rather than the somewhat more remote notion of MPs flipping homes to benefit from a lax expenses regime.

In your case, I suspect that sexism, racism and homophobia are also remote concepts you deplore but have no direct experience of, which makes it easier for you to equate them with the expenses scandal.

I understand what you're saying.

I'm sticking to my belief that neither is fit to hold office though.

And yes, they are concepts I most definitely deplore. :thup:

 

[MegaSteve]

I can say with some [100%] degree of certainty that two of the parties on view last night will not be getting my vote.. The same, lack of choice, will be the case for the vast majority of us which is why I thought their inclusion a waste of effort... Same goes for the tool that insisted on their inclusion... So, that's three out of the running leaving another half-dozen or so to consider before arriving as to who gets my nod... And, for all of that effort I'll still get the chap wearing the blue rosette...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Ok.

Here's your choice of leaders.

A) a racist.
B) a bigot.
C) a Nazi.

Who ye voting for then?

Simplistic, I know. But, I'll go for voter apathy and not vote.

It's it a trick question and the mystery person behind all 3 is Farage?

 

[c1973]

It's it a trick question and the mystery person behind all 3 is Farage?

I'll let you off with that one then.

 

[bluewolf]

Sorry I'll re word it - every party is tainted and that person represents that party

It's not the easy choice not to vote - I believe it's the right thing to do if someone believes there is no one that deserves their vote.

Then vote for the independent. As I said, by not shifting your vote to another candidate, you are not punishing the politician. You are making it easier for them.. You are turning your back on a criminal.. What do you expect them to do?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's been done to death and always ends in an argument. I think everyone should vote but I'm not an evangelist about it so don't get worked up whether others do or not. But I'll always vote if I'm able.

To be honest, it's tricky this year as there are more reasons not to vote for the various candidates than to actually vote for any of them. But I'll still vote and I know who I plan to vote for, at the moment!

Cheers for answering - as I said I wasn't looking to create an argument :thup:

 

[c1973]

Then vote for the independent. As I said, by not shifting your vote to another candidate, you are not punishing the politician. You are making it easier for them.. You are turning your back on a criminal.. What do you expect them to do?

What if you're options are to switch from one political belief to its polar opposite though?

I get what you're saying, but I couldn't go against my broad political beliefs.

It should be easier to 'sack' them, that would work.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then vote for the independent. As I said, by not shifting your vote to another candidate, you are not punishing the politician. You are making it easier for them.. You are turning your back on a criminal.. What do you expect them to do?

Only four candidates in my area during last election

Tory
Labour
UKIP
BNP

 

[Foxholer]

From the posts on here, and my own observations of the 'debate', I don't believe it either changed anybody's mind or even provided much benefit for the participants!

Can anyone say that's not the case?

To me, Clegg came across weaker than I expected, so can see how the gains he made - because of the debates - last time will disappear.

 

[CMAC]

I can say with some [100%] degree of certainty that two of the parties on view last night will not be getting my vote.. The same, lack of choice, will be the case for the vast majority of us which is why I thought their inclusion a waste of effort... Same goes for the tool that insisted on their inclusion... So, that's three out of the running leaving another half-dozen or so to consider before arriving as to who gets my nod... And, for all of that effort I'll still get the chap wearing the blue rosette...

I can say with certainty that 6 of them last night wont be getting your vote (if you vote that is)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If Clegg has any sense he should think about heading up a 3rd party 'progressive alliance' to attract disenfranchised English voters.
Join up with the Nationalist parties and both green parties to keep Cameron and Milliband honest.

 

[bluewolf]

Only four candidates in my area during last election

Tory
Labour
UKIP
BNP

If my preferred Party fielded a convicted expenses cheat/cash for questions proponent, then I would do everything I could to ensure the Party were aware of my complaint. I don't remember too many criminals being put forward though. I would still vote.

Quite strange that you had so few options. Even in my area (which is a Labour stronghold) we had several independents, a Lib Dem, a Green, BNP, UKIP, Labour, Conservative..
As an aside, I like my local MP. I've spoken to her several times and she always seems to be genuinely interested in the people she represents. There may be people in the Party that break the rules, but turning away from the Party because of that doesn't sit well with me really..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If my preferred Party fielded a convicted expenses cheat/cash for questions proponent, then I would do everything I could to ensure the Party were aware of my complaint. I don't remember too many criminals being put forward though. I would still vote.

Quite strange that you had so few options. Even in my area (which is a Labour stronghold) we had several independents, a Lib Dem, a Green, BNP, UKIP, Labour, Conservative..
As an aside, I like my local MP. I've spoken to her several times and she always seems to be genuinely interested in the people she represents. There may be people in the Party that break the rules, but turning away from the Party because of that doesn't sit well with me really..

Right now I believe UKIP/BNP to be riddled with racists and their policies have zero substances so would never vote for them

Labour and Tory imo are two of the same

So that's the four parties in my area

Lib Dems seem to be trying to look a bit further than themselves but not sure if there will be a candidate here.

Green Party have great ideas but just impossible to happen

If forced I would look to Lib Dems

 

[bluewolf]

If forced I would look to Lib Dems

The poor old Lib Dems.. If they knew back then, exactly what Clegg's desire to be in power would do to them, they probably wouldn't have formed a coalition
I have in the past voted Lib Dem. It was a protest (of sorts). I would probably look for an independent who was fighting for a worthwhile local issue now..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The poor old Lib Dems.. If they knew back then, exactly what Clegg's desire to be in power would do to them, they probably wouldn't have formed a coalition
I have in the past voted Lib Dem. It was a protest (of sorts). I would probably look for an independent who was fighting for a worthwhile local issue now..

I actually like Clegg and think his ideas are certainly a lot closer to the normal people

Just been royally screwed by the joining with the Tories