williamalex1
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Well spotted Phil
It's that cynic again
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rosecott
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The one on the right is neither young, attractive, nor photogenic.
Albeit she beats me in all 3 categories ???
The Mail says hey are both 27
backwoodsman
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I see two different scenarios for this story.
Version A
we drove in
there were loads of police there
next thing, my car is surrounded.
I got out of my car.
Straight away they start questioning us.
"One of them started reading my rights
Version B
They drove in
There were some police there
A policeman came over
Asked why they'd come
She gave him some lip
So he gave her a ticket.
So, anyhow, the truth probably lies somewhere between, but a) I know which end of the spectrum I think was more likely, and b) I know which end of the spectrum makes better copy for the media.
Version A
we drove in
there were loads of police there
next thing, my car is surrounded.
I got out of my car.
Straight away they start questioning us.
"One of them started reading my rights
Version B
They drove in
There were some police there
A policeman came over
Asked why they'd come
She gave him some lip
So he gave her a ticket.
So, anyhow, the truth probably lies somewhere between, but a) I know which end of the spectrum I think was more likely, and b) I know which end of the spectrum makes better copy for the media.
Smiffy
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ScienceBoy
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Bit of both? Yes a touch heavy handed, I understand it's easy to find a balance and that takes time plus examples to learn from.
Also its a situation that could have been avoided by just going alone and not to a place where police are trying to steer people away from?
Mandofred
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The question I have is why are these park/parking areas even open? All the ones anywhere near us where closed in the first lockdown. If they leave these places open, people will use them. I stated on an earlier post a week or more ago that a lot of people were breaking the rules.....not just a few. If you want people to stay home, you really really need to crack down on people breaking/stretching the rules.
As far as these two ladies go, they may/may not have "broken" the rules, but they were definitely stretching them. They drove out for a coffee (which they didn't need....and are stupidly expensive) and then off to the park. I go for my walks from my house, I would like to drive to some nice walking areas once in a while as well.....but that is pushing things.
As far as these two ladies go, they may/may not have "broken" the rules, but they were definitely stretching them. They drove out for a coffee (which they didn't need....and are stupidly expensive) and then off to the park. I go for my walks from my house, I would like to drive to some nice walking areas once in a while as well.....but that is pushing things.
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Have you read the lockdown documents?
Parks etc are open
Your allowed to drive to one to exercise
"exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."
"Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
Outdoor sports venues must close, for example:
tennis courts
golf courses
swimming pools
Children under 5, and up to 2 carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the gatherings limits for exercising outside.
If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.
When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble. Where this is not possible, stay 1 metre apart with extra precautions (like wearing a face covering)."
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Living relatively local to this incident we have received broader coverage of this incident and a number of others involving this particular police force via local media.
As you suggest the story has been hyped but your version A does not appear to be a million miles from the truth.
backwoodsman
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Yep. Seems (from outside that is) that Derbyshire Police have been a bit heavyhanded at times.
On the other hand, presumably, the police were already there in the parking area? (I doubt they chased the ladies in there
) So, also presumably, tgey believed there was some reason they needed to be there?
Ok, the women perhaps got more than they deserved, but my experience is that local media tend to be generally against the local 'establishment" and slant their stories accordingly. And then national media just pick up the stories and parrot them without bothering to look any more closely.
On the other hand, presumably, the police were already there in the parking area? (I doubt they chased the ladies in there
) So, also presumably, tgey believed there was some reason they needed to be there? Ok, the women perhaps got more than they deserved, but my experience is that local media tend to be generally against the local 'establishment" and slant their stories accordingly. And then national media just pick up the stories and parrot them without bothering to look any more closely.
Mandofred
Well-known member
The point I was trying to make (and missed evidently) was that this trip by the ladies didn't need to take place. If the authorities want a lockdown that will work....they need to get serious and lockdown things at least as well as the first time. Leaving the parks/parking areas open is inviting people to go to them. There are way too many people just breaking the rules because they are tired of things like they are. This isn't just a few people as some people think.....it's probably half or close enough. This latest lockdown will slow things down at best and damaging/destroying businesses with the hope that the vaccines will save things eventually.
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You could argue exercise isn't needed full stop.
However it's allowed once per day so it's irrelevant.
I doubt we will see a march lockdown again which wasn't even strong enough. There is too many other factors at play.
bobmac
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The contagious killer virus doesn't give a damn about the rules and why you are outside your house mixing with other people.
If you don't have to go out, don't.
If you don't have to go out, don't.
Junior
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We should lockdown, we shouldn't lock down and just get on with things.
We're not strict enough, we're too strict.
The click bait media are making us dance like puppets. Our cynicism and love for scandal has given us the media we deserve.
We're not strict enough, we're too strict.
The click bait media are making us dance like puppets. Our cynicism and love for scandal has given us the media we deserve.
Tashyboy
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Have you read the lockdown documents?
Parks etc are open
Your allowed to drive to one to exercise.
"exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."
"Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
Outdoor sports venues must close, for example:
tennis courts
golf courses
swimming pools
Children under 5, and up to 2 carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the gatherings limits for exercising outside.
If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.
When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble. Where this is not possible, stay 1 metre apart with extra precautions (like wearing a face covering)."
In the bag
Your allowed to drive to one exercise. ? If you have to get in a car to get there it’s not local. Especially if yout leaving your county To go for a walk in anothe. If it was local. Walk.
That’s two people from different bubbles that did not isolate coz the rules said so. Yup someone said at Christmas you can mix for 4 days reduced to 1 day. look how that’s turning out now, 1,000 deaths a day and 50k infections a day.
Now/ today police forces are being told to issue more fines Because people are not staying at home.
Ironically the most infections occur in teenagers, students and 20-30 yr olds. These two fall in that category. Most deaths occur in the older generation. Another case of am alright Jack.
Parks etc are open
Your allowed to drive to one to exercise.
"exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."
"Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
playgrounds
Outdoor sports venues must close, for example:
tennis courts
golf courses
swimming pools
Children under 5, and up to 2 carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the gatherings limits for exercising outside.
If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.
When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble. Where this is not possible, stay 1 metre apart with extra precautions (like wearing a face covering)."
In the bag
Your allowed to drive to one exercise. ? If you have to get in a car to get there it’s not local. Especially if yout leaving your county To go for a walk in anothe. If it was local. Walk.
That’s two people from different bubbles that did not isolate coz the rules said so. Yup someone said at Christmas you can mix for 4 days reduced to 1 day. look how that’s turning out now, 1,000 deaths a day and 50k infections a day.
Now/ today police forces are being told to issue more fines Because people are not staying at home.
Ironically the most infections occur in teenagers, students and 20-30 yr olds. These two fall in that category. Most deaths occur in the older generation. Another case of am alright Jack.
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Don't hate the players hate the game.
The rules say they can meet with one other person
You can also if you have kids under 5 take them and they don't count
Can understand the rules though. All good and well for those who don't get mentally affected by being lockdown as much judging everyone else
We are fine we have a medium size garden, 4 bed house so we can entertain the kids. We also haven't suffered financially
However others aren't so lucky. Imagine being stuck in a 2 bedroom flat with a toddler for the entire of lockdown. That one walk a day could be difference between keeping your sanity or not
Easy for those who are set for life judging those struggling.
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
and you have answered your own question, you do not have to get in your car to exercise. You do not have to call in for a coffee On the way.
And you do not not have to see 1,000 deaths a day to be “set up for life” and be in the category of 1,000 deaths a day to be judgemental.
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Tash where on earth was there a question in my statement? Or are you just making random stuff up now in your rabble of judgements
Leftitshort
Well-known member
Most of the people looking for a harder lockdown either have safe public sector jobs or are retired. Both arguments have an ‘I’m alright jack element’ but only one side is pointing the finger
Mandofred
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I got a long copy+paste to something I didn't even say (I didn't state it was against the rules). I stated I didn't know if these ladies had broken the rules or not......it unfortunately is a matter left up to interpretation. I did say they should close all the parks/parking because it invites people to use them. I did say that the trip was pretty well unnecessary. I did say that driving out miles away was pushing the rules.....and I stand by that.
My opinion is if the cops didn't want them there, they should have just told them to go home. The fine was excessive.....in my opinion.
I really don't know what the right answer is for dealing with the virus. I can argue it both ways.....open up everything and let the dice fall where they will, or close things up tighter. Glad I'm not the person having to make these calls......millions of people will hate you no matter what you do.
My opinion is if the cops didn't want them there, they should have just told them to go home. The fine was excessive.....in my opinion.
I really don't know what the right answer is for dealing with the virus. I can argue it both ways.....open up everything and let the dice fall where they will, or close things up tighter. Glad I'm not the person having to make these calls......millions of people will hate you no matter what you do.
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Surely you aren’t lecturing people about actions in regards what they should and shouldn’t do ?
You “didn’t” have to fly to Mexico when a pandemic was starting but you deflected everything by saying it was within the rules at the time - just like people driving somewhere for exercise is within the rules
People in glass houses etc etc
