louise_a
Money List Winner
but how did you feel about getting 45 pts of 19 Dave, did you get a higher original handicap than you should have?
it's just happend again
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rosecott
Money List Winner
Looking back now, do you think that your allocation of 16 was fair and correct. It wasn't your decision to allocate 16 so you couldn't be accused of abusing the system.
sawtooth
Tour Winner
Yes it was fair at the time. Just starting out I was more erratic, my scores could be low one week and very high the next. All it takes is to play 3 "normal" rounds to get a card and then bam out of the blue you play very well, putts fly in and you get a massive cut.
I've always been a bit paranoid about being accused of being a bandit. This is the main reason why I wanted to get as low as possible.
The 23 handicapper mentioned on this thread may feel exactly the same way.
I've always been a bit paranoid about being accused of being a bandit. This is the main reason why I wanted to get as low as possible.
The 23 handicapper mentioned on this thread may feel exactly the same way.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I would say it is also banditry if someone has a handicap that they know is too high and enters a club major with it. I have volunteered three cuts in my golfing history and each time for exactly this reason.
Crow
Crow Person
Our Club Championships have a handicap maximum of 14 to enter and everyone plays off scratch, no issues with dodgy handicaps winning. :thup:
Club championships should be a scratch competition.
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm no expert on handicaps but am I correct in saying...
If you join a new club, you SHOULD declare a previous handicap ?
In the OP, I would speak to the golfers previous club and find what his handicap was there.
If the guy can play to 11, he's obviously been playing somewhere.
Isn't this one of the situations where a handicap committee CAN chop someone if they feel the initial handicap issued was too high ?
If you join a new club, you SHOULD declare a previous handicap ?
In the OP, I would speak to the golfers previous club and find what his handicap was there.
If the guy can play to 11, he's obviously been playing somewhere.
Isn't this one of the situations where a handicap committee CAN chop someone if they feel the initial handicap issued was too high ?
rosecott
Money List Winner
In response to your two questions - YES and YES.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Have to play 3 qualifying medals in the season at our club to qualify for the Club Champs.
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
The first few comps are always "settling" in scores. I won two of my first 3 comps off my 17 handicap. The first one was with only 37 points on a tricky day. The other was 39 points just a week later!
I completely agree with the rule that you should play at least 3 weekly competitions in the 3 months prior to a major. My club had this rule and it worked well.
There are some good examples of what a proper bandit is, someone who artificially keeps their handicap high to play in non qualifiers or honors board (or national) competitions.
Conversely getting a too low handicap just means you have a target to work towards, once you beat it you know you have made significant progress.
I completely agree with the rule that you should play at least 3 weekly competitions in the 3 months prior to a major. My club had this rule and it worked well.
There are some good examples of what a proper bandit is, someone who artificially keeps their handicap high to play in non qualifiers or honors board (or national) competitions.
Conversely getting a too low handicap just means you have a target to work towards, once you beat it you know you have made significant progress.
bobmac
Major Champion
Sorry, dont agree. The person you are describing is a cheat. Pure and simple.
As is someone who arrives at a new club who used to be off say 10, puts in 3 cards for 18 h/cap and doesnt tell the h/cap sec of his old handicap.
I'd like to see the rule changed to " A player MUST declare a previous h/cap" not "Should"
It's not only cheating, it's also stupid as it's not going to win you many friends at the new club.
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DCB
Well-known member
Surely even the Class 2 guys qualify with Scratch scores for the Championship ?
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
But that is what I mean! A bandit is a cheat, it is also a term used in jest to suggest someone is cheating but should not be taken seriously.
I think there is a clear difference between someone who was playing off a suitable handicap but who makes legitimate and hard earned improvements (and therefore the win) and the bandit, someone who artificially keeps their handicap high (ie cheating).
He shot 12 under playing in his first comp. 1st comp nerves? Doesn't sound like he's a new starter.
I wouldn't call anyone a cheat without more evidence but it appears a little dodgy to say the least.
Personally, I'd like to see a max allowance of 18 given as a first handicap but with an option of a lift if a player is obviously struggling.
I wouldn't call anyone a cheat without more evidence but it appears a little dodgy to say the least.
Personally, I'd like to see a max allowance of 18 given as a first handicap but with an option of a lift if a player is obviously struggling.
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DaveM
Tour Winner
I think in the long run it must pay to be honest. I have just joined a club. After around 5yrs away due to injury. I am scared to death of putting in 3 cards incase I play rubbish, get a high H/c. Then clean up in the comps. When I joined I gave full past history. Going back years. Told them my last H/c was 14 but that was more due to injury than ability, As I had played to singles most of my previous golf life. The sec just told me not to worry, as they dont give H/c until you play to 18 or under.
I have decided myself not to put ahy cards in until. I know the course and I feel happy with my standard of play. Ok I may still win but I won't feel like I have cheated. (most likely will win bugger all though).
I have decided myself not to put ahy cards in until. I know the course and I feel happy with my standard of play. Ok I may still win but I won't feel like I have cheated. (most likely will win bugger all though).
bobmac
Major Champion
At least you will lose honestly and with integrity
DaveM
Tour Winner
At least you will lose honestly and with integrity
Yeah good at that. Well the loosing bit anyway.:rofl:
Birchy
Money List Winner
You should have to meet requirments/qualify for the big competitions imo. Ive been called a bandit by a fair few people even though ive never been anywhere near winning anything! Just because i hit the ball well people keep saying i should be off a lot less even though i havent been scoring that well. Ive played in every qualifying comp since ive been at the club so its not like im taking the mick! I would quite happily play off scratch if i could play to that level! 
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Did we not establish several times already that CATEGORIES would sort all 'banditry' shouts? It wouldn't matter what cards he put in if he only cleaned up in the CAT4 group and won a tenner 
Shiny
Head Pro
I think at my new club once a new player has got his handicap he has to either play in 3 qualifiers or like me now wait until next year to enter any board competitions.
I too declared my handicap from my last club (which lapsed to away status) as 27 which was correct although now I am playing after a winter of improving to 20 and I am aiming for an 18 handicap when I put my 3 cards in.
Am I a reverse bandit?????
I too declared my handicap from my last club (which lapsed to away status) as 27 which was correct although now I am playing after a winter of improving to 20 and I am aiming for an 18 handicap when I put my 3 cards in.
Am I a reverse bandit?????
