Is this right?

[HawkeyeMS]

We had our monthly medal on Sunday and fellow forumer Sundance came in with a Nett 69. When the results were posted on Monday, that had him 1st in Division 2 which meant he got a few quid to spend in the Pro shop and more importantly, qualified him for the end of season Masters competition.

This morning I got a mail saying the results had been amended shortly followed by a text from Sundance as they have now decided that they will re-publish the results and instead of there being 3 divisions, there is now only 2, meaning Sundance is 4th in Division 1 and gets no money and no place in the Masters!

The winner of Div 3 is now the winner of Div 2 and the winner of Div 1 remains the same. Sundance gets nothing

Seems a bit harsh to me, what say you lot?

 

[phil78]

Seems very harsh, did they give a reason for the change?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Harsh indeed!

How many divisions do you normally have, is it fixed or dependant on the number of entries?

 

[Slab]

Unless there's some small print to cover a scenario that would mean an amendment like this then its a bit more than harsh!

 

[pbrown7582]

Harsh harsh harsh ...they should use the standard formula regardless of entries the division should be set before play begins and not amended after wards

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Seems very harsh, did they give a reason for the change?

Sundance is chasing that up

Harsh indeed!

How many divisions do you normally have, is it fixed or dependant on the number of entries?

I think it is dependent on the number of entries. We don't have huge numbers of entries for weekend comps. I just had a look and there were 61 entries for the S'ford the previous week and 3 divisions. On Saturday there were 58 entries and now only 2 divisions.

 

[Birchy]

Its very harsh after results have been published. The least the club should do is give him the spot in the comp (which I assume is what he really wants) as this wont cost them anything.

 

[davidy233]

It's a poor show - I'd guess that the cut of point for three divisions is 60 and someone hasn't noticed there were two less at first - but once published they should have left the results to stand

 

[duncan mackie]

I think it is dependent on the number of entries. We don't have huge numbers of entries for weekend comps. I just had a look and there were 61 entries for the S'ford the previous week and 3 divisions. On Saturday there were 58 entries and now only 2 divisions.

It should end up 'correct' ie if there should have been 2 divisions based on entries then it should be corrected to that.

Exactly the same principle would apply if it went the other way (or, for example, if the committee had accidentally omitted a player who scored a 68 from the results when initially posted etc).

Mistakes like this happen and, whilst frustrating, it's nothing to make a huge fuss about surely.

 

[Sundance]

I have had a follow up and the reasoning is "division 1 is for golfers that have a handicap of 12 or less and as you were playing off 12 and should therefore be division 1"

To me that doesn't explain how I ended up in division 2, maybe it was just an admin error which I am happy to accept. However, as Hawkeye rightly said there are only 2 division now, so does that mean there are no 'division 3' golfers which I suspect to be of handicaps 21+. I highly doubt that. So where does that leave me?

Edit: Hawkeye has just pointed out to me that in the stableford the week before there were golfers playing off 12 in the division 2 results so that doesn't tally up with the reasoning I was given.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I have had a follow up and the reasoning is "division 1 is for golfers that have a handicap of 12 or less and as you were playing off 12 and should therefore be division 1"

To me that doesn't explain how I ended up in division 2, maybe it was just an admin error which I am happy to accept. However, as Hawkeye rightly said there are only 2 division now, so does that mean there are no 'division 3' golfers which I suspect to be of handicaps 21+. I highly doubt that. So where does that leave me?

To add more fuel to the fire, in the June Stableford, there were 3 divisions and the 12 handicaps were in division 2

Looks to me like someone has realised they should have only had 2 divisions (possibly based on number of entries) and that when there are only 2 divisions, 12 handicappers are in division 1. Who knows.

 

[Twire]

We have 3 divisions and to try and balance the numbers in each division the handicap cut offs can change slightly from one month to the next. But to cut it from 3 down to 2 after the results have been published seems like an after thought and a little harsh on Sundance.

 

[guest100718]

We only have 1 division for stableford and 3 for strokeplay comps.

 

[Foxholer]

If there are 'standard' rules on divisions then, even if there has been a mistake, that's how it should end up.

Best to have the rules written in the 'Conditions of Competition' somewhere.

Seems like it's based on numbers, but it shouldn't be 'random'!

Also seems like the person attempting to explain it either doesn't fully know or hasn't explained it well enough.

@guest100718 I can imagine some unhappy low-cappers in the Stableford comps!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If there are 'standard' rules on divisions then, even if there has been a mistake, that's how it should end up.

Best to have the rules written in the 'Conditions of Competition' somewhere.

Seems like it's based on numbers, but it shouldn't be 'random'!

Also seems like the person attempting to explain it either doesn't fully know or hasn't explained it well enough.

@guest100718 I can imagine some unhappy low-cappers in the Stableford comps!

Also only have one division for stablefords

 

[Hobbit]

Personally, I think its made them look a bit inept. Best thing they could have done is leave the result as declared, and make sure they get the results right for future comps before they publish them.

 

[the smiling assassin]

why do golf clubs over complicate things. if you're going to have divisions, fix them. if there are always limited entries, don't bother having divisions.

we normally have about 120-140 entries for midweek/weekend comps. a section is 11 or below. b section 12 or above. done.
sweeps are divided by section, and there are club prizes for overall top 4 funded by annual subs.
who cares if the b section winner gets more sweep money than the a section winner because there are less a section entrants?!

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

50-60 competitors in a monthly medal?.........now that`s harsh!!!
Why such a low turnout?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

50-60 competitors in a monthly medal?.........now that`s harsh!!!
Why such a low turnout?

My guess would be because most of our members are well into the senior section and also 5 day members. Many of them will simply not play off the white tees as they consider it to be too hard. I guess the 229 yd par 3 1st puts them off

For our midweek comps, we have 1 medal and 1 stableford a month which alternate between white and yellow tees, the entry list for a medal off the white tees isn't very well supported when compared to stableford off the yellows.