Is this CSS correct?

[Hendy]

http://www.newtownstewartgolfclub.com/July Results/

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Been questioning a few of these css's lately and then last wed seen that 39 won and 38 2nd&3rd.

I know there was 41 in the comp which included 5/6 visitors. One of which was my mate that had 36.

Reason I ask was as stated been questioning this in my head the last while as the last 6 weeks I have shot my HC of 36 points and got 0.1 back on both occasions. This is likely fair enough however as the winning score was 40 odds. Kind of getting fed up with it lately tho and was thinking of raising the issue to council based on the result in question on this topic.

Thanks in advance on any input on this.

 

[BTatHome]

Well your SSS is one less than Par, so shooting h/cap is actually 37, rather than 36

That result was showing CSS as being 38 ... remember that scores are in and outside buffer, makes no difference if the winners were miles under h/cap.

 

[delc]

Well your SSS is one less than Par, so shooting h/cap is actually 37, rather than 36

That result was showing CSS as being 38 ... remember that scores are in and outside buffer, makes no difference if the winners were miles under h/cap.

That is one of the problems of the CSS calculation in my opinion. If 3 or 4 Cat 1-3 players get into the buffer zone, it makes no difference to the CSS if they barely scrape into it by one shot, or they all shoot 10 under. It does not truly compensate for the conditions, so may lead to unjustified handicap cuts or 0.1 increases. If you are a member of a short course with a low SSS, it seems impossible to get lower than about 5 handicap, however good you are. I was previously a member of such a club (with quite a tricky and tight course) where you would have had to be consistently breaking the professional course record to have any chance of getting down to scratch. Most of the better players left to join longer courses for this reason!

 

[MashieNiblick]

I too am I'm a bit confused by the .1 increases for 36 points.

As I understand it-

CCS can only go down 1 or up 3 (or up 1 and down 3 in Stableford terms).
If SSS = 1 less than par (i.e 37 points) it can therefore only go up to 38 points max
Off 7 (cat 2) the buffer zone is CSS + 2
36 points should therefore always be at least in the buffer zone if SSS = 1 less than par.

Have I missed something?

So far as the method of calculating CSS is concerned, given its purpose it seems reasonable that it should be based on how the field plays generally (i.e. scores in and outside buffer) rather than how good the best scores are, although as noted this can sometimes mean the CSS looks a bit out of kilter with the range of scores returned.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

There is no way 36 points could give you 0.1 back. With SSS par-1, CSS can only ever be par-2 so 36 points will always be buffer for a Cat 2 golfer.

 

[Hendy]

The week in question was 1st of July CSS was 39. I had 36 and got 0.1

I am looking at my record here now and funny enough it's missing but the 0.1 has still been added. Something does add up.

 

[louise_a]

If you got 36 against a CSS of 39 then the 0.1 is correct as you were outside your new buffer.

 

[Foxholer]

If you got 36 against a CSS of 39 then the 0.1 is correct as you were outside your new buffer.

However, if SSS is Par minus 1,then CSS cannot be 39 points - 38 is the max, as Hawkeye posted.

36 points would get a 0.1 for a Cat 1 player though. Is your sig handicap correct?

 

[palindromicbob]

Common enough for Newtown and Omagh to be honest. Both have SSS of -1 requiring 37 points to equal handicap based on SSS not unusual for them to go to CSS of 38 but surely you as a 7 HC are cat 2 hence 2 shot buffer so 36 with a CSS of 38 should not return 0.1.

 

[Hendy]

Edit. I spoke to thw competitions secretary today just told me its worked out by computer so no help there.

Guess I will never know but at least I am a little clearer on CSS and SSS now

 

[palindromicbob]

Edit. I spoke to thw competitions secretary today just told me its worked out by computer so no help there.

Guess I will never know but at least I am a little clearer on CSS and SSS now

Check your golfnet.ie and the Nett Differential. If you had 36 with a CSS of 38 the ND should be 2 which is within the buffer for a Cat 2 player and should not result in a 0.1 back. (Unless you are now a Cat 1 player and your handicap in the sig is wrong)

Point this out to the handicap sec rather than the comp sec and ask them to review it because in my mind that sounds wrong.

 

[Hendy]

Am off 8 now so still cat 2.

On golf net
Shot 80 on 26/06/15 Hc exact 8.1
Then shows a NR which is not right on 08/07/15 and exact is 8.3 I always put card in.

So the comp I entered on 01/07/15 which I scored 36 in has been removed.

 

[rosecott]

Am off 8 now so still cat 2.

On golf net
Shot 80 on 26/06/15 Hc exact 8.1
Then shows a NR which is not right on 08/07/15 and exact is 8.3 I always put card in.

So the comp I entered on 01/07/15 which I scored 36 in has been removed.

I think your best bet is to ask your Handicap Secretary/Convenor/Committee for a printout of your handicap record and sit down and go through it with him/her/them.

 

[Hendy]

Got the info from comp on July 1st

Course is par 70

SSS 68
CSS 67
My points 36
Gross difference 11
Handicap adjustment 0.1
REH has gone from 8.1 to 8.2

So therefore shooting your handicap not good enough to sabve 0.1 lol

Ridiculous.

 

[rosecott]

Got the info from comp on July 1st

Course is par 70

SSS 68
CSS 67
My points 36
Gross difference 11
Handicap adjustment 0.1
REH has gone from 8.1 to 8.2

So therefore shooting your handicap not good enough to sabve 0.1 lol

Ridiculous.

But 36 points is not playing to handicap on your course so it's not ridiculous.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Got the info from comp on July 1st

Course is par 70

SSS 68
CSS 67
My points 36
Gross difference 11
Handicap adjustment 0.1
REH has gone from 8.1 to 8.2

So therefore shooting your handicap not good enough to sabve 0.1 lol

Ridiculous.

with SSS of 2 under par, playing to handicap is 38 points for you, so you didn't play to your handicap.

 

[duncan mackie]

with SSS of 2 under par, playing to handicap is 38 points for you, so you didn't play to your handicap.

And at least the facts came out in the end!

 

[BTatHome]

Got the info from comp on July 1st

Course is par 70

SSS 68

So scorecard on the website isn't correct then?

 

[rosecott]

So scorecard on the website isn't correct then?

Possibly played off yellows?

 

[pbrown7582]

Got the info from comp on July 1st

Course is par 70

SSS 68
CSS 67
My points 36
Gross difference 11
Handicap adjustment 0.1
REH has gone from 8.1 to 8.2

So therefore shooting your handicap not good enough to sabve 0.1 lol

Ridiculous.

more confusion with par and SSS.