G1BB0
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as per title, what do you think? by North I also encompass Scotland (apologies to our north of the border friends)
Is there still a North/South divide?
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Liverbirdie
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Absolutely.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
yep, though it partly exists because people want it to (on both sides). We crossed the divide 10 yrs ago, lived just south of manchester for 4 years and had a great time, with some people it took a little while to warm to "southerners" but once they did got on fine. definitely a lot of positives in the "other side" for me, would happily move back up there tomorrow personally
stevie_r
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That would totally depend on what you believe the criteria are that determine that divide.
G1BB0
Money List Winner
is that your way of saying the North (it is awesome) is better Steve?
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
not necessarily better, but different and theres definitely a lot of positives in the different. We went there on very short notice with a pretty narrow view of what to expect and thankfully were very wrong in what we actually got. We have moved around the country (mainly in the south) and its definitely the one place we'd both not hesitate to return to (if only it was closer to family)
It also seems I lived right in the middle of the crowd from the NWOOM and thats sound like it would be a whole lot of fun
stevie_r
Tour Winner
No Gibbo, it's me asking how (or what) you feel is this actual divide. i.e. are you thinking purely in terms of average salary? Housing, quality of life, % of shandy drinkers, average annual expenditure on male cosmetics etc 
williamalex1
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Yes the divide is still there.
With all the modern telecommunication systems, PC and IT technology that's available , why are all the big players centered around the London area.
It only drives up property and wage prices in the London area. It could be managed from a few boiler rooms spread over the rest of the UK, as it's done in some the countries we give aid to.
With all the modern telecommunication systems, PC and IT technology that's available , why are all the big players centered around the London area.
It only drives up property and wage prices in the London area. It could be managed from a few boiler rooms spread over the rest of the UK, as it's done in some the countries we give aid to.
Yes there is and I think there always will be.
Long memories.
Long memories.
CliveW
Tour Winner
Why only North/South? What about East/West?
Foxholer
Blackballed
I believe it's 'London commute' and everywhere else!
HS2 might extend the 'London commute' further North, but same concept will apply.
HS2 might extend the 'London commute' further North, but same concept will apply.
Sharktooth
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Tell you what, I was born and raised in the armpit of the planet in a dead and declining toilet in Scotland. When I was 23 I got a new job and relocated to Somerset and never in my life had I been made so welcome somewhere. Lovely, lovely people, so friendly, polite and such a beautiful part of the UK. You know the worst part? It was going back to visit my parents in Scotland and listen to anti English vitriol from trolls who had only ever been to Blackpool. I think I must be the only Scotsman who has battered another scot for slagging off the English.
pokerjoke
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Whee
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Territorial based disagreements will always occur. Mackems, Geordies, Smoggies and Monkey Hangers will slate each other with glee, but they'll soon join sides if a Southerner starts dishing it out.
Likewise, with Scousers and Mancs, yet they'll join together agsint Yorkshire.
It's what makes Britain hilarious.
In respect of the OP, I believe the divide is now Outside M25 against inside M25. The country and it's rulers are too London-centric.
Likewise, with Scousers and Mancs, yet they'll join together agsint Yorkshire.
It's what makes Britain hilarious.
In respect of the OP, I believe the divide is now Outside M25 against inside M25. The country and it's rulers are too London-centric.
So where do you start to become North in the Southerners eyes and where do you start to become South in the Northerners eyes?
Interested as sat bang centre in the Midlands!
Interested as sat bang centre in the Midlands!
LeeTurner
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I have to agree that it's now a London/M25 vs rest of the UK divide.
I live in an old mill town in the North West but work in Central London for most of the week. I sometimes feel that I am living in different countries when travelling between the two. The difference economically is astounding and the launch of HS2 and will only widen the gap. There are a lot of people who already make the commute daily from the North West into London - Warrington is 1hr 50mins with the West Coast Line from Manchester a maximum of just over 2 hours. Whilst they are enjoying higher salaries with a lower cost of living this is not growing the local economy. The ability to buy a larger house, better car or more expensive holidays is not creating many jobs in the North.
To compound matters there is a lack of investment in infrastructure, particularly public transport. London is gaining the new CrossRail development to complement the already superb travel network. I have an office in Irlam which is 28 miles away from home. To get there on public transport takes over 2 hours. This creates silos of communities who either have to find work locally, which is very limited, or buy and run a car. The Westminster politicians and anti car brigade frequently cite the use of public transport whilst basing their knowledge, or lack of, on the Greater London transport system.
We need more pressure on industry to allow home working which will allow employers to utilise a countrywide knowledge base whilst being able to reduce their office space overheads. As pointed out in a previous post we live in a relatively small country with an extensive communications network yet it is not being exploited to any significant degree for employment purposes. Government should be offering incentives to encourage industry to expand home working. Unfortunately the only real growth that's seen in certain parts of the North, particularly the North East, is in call centre type operations which feels like the factories are in the North whilst the wealth is still maintained in the South East.
Rant over - back to working out how I can get 18 holes in with this pall of grey, damp and cold weather we've got.
I live in an old mill town in the North West but work in Central London for most of the week. I sometimes feel that I am living in different countries when travelling between the two. The difference economically is astounding and the launch of HS2 and will only widen the gap. There are a lot of people who already make the commute daily from the North West into London - Warrington is 1hr 50mins with the West Coast Line from Manchester a maximum of just over 2 hours. Whilst they are enjoying higher salaries with a lower cost of living this is not growing the local economy. The ability to buy a larger house, better car or more expensive holidays is not creating many jobs in the North.
To compound matters there is a lack of investment in infrastructure, particularly public transport. London is gaining the new CrossRail development to complement the already superb travel network. I have an office in Irlam which is 28 miles away from home. To get there on public transport takes over 2 hours. This creates silos of communities who either have to find work locally, which is very limited, or buy and run a car. The Westminster politicians and anti car brigade frequently cite the use of public transport whilst basing their knowledge, or lack of, on the Greater London transport system.
We need more pressure on industry to allow home working which will allow employers to utilise a countrywide knowledge base whilst being able to reduce their office space overheads. As pointed out in a previous post we live in a relatively small country with an extensive communications network yet it is not being exploited to any significant degree for employment purposes. Government should be offering incentives to encourage industry to expand home working. Unfortunately the only real growth that's seen in certain parts of the North, particularly the North East, is in call centre type operations which feels like the factories are in the North whilst the wealth is still maintained in the South East.
Rant over - back to working out how I can get 18 holes in with this pall of grey, damp and cold weather we've got.
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Whee
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Well, i'm from South Coast and class Londoners as Northerners haha!
Rooter
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South of the M4 = garden of England, lovely people, great weather
North of the M4 = grim, miserable people, always rains
;-)
North of the M4 = grim, miserable people, always rains
;-)
Adi2Dassler
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Gorgie boy,aye?
As much as it might surprise some one here, the one fight I've been in in my entire life was defending England/an English friend from Scottish stupidity.
As for the original question, I think there is, and as proof, us in the north are prepared to let you keep Nigel Farage
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Cheers
But we don't want him either....
But we don't want him either....
