International Footballer Nationality

[bladeplayer]

But I do agree with one thing though........You or any of your family (family include all people with same surname over here) singing Danny Boy while drinking a pint of Guinness should ​... entitle you to play for Ireland........

Fixed that for ya mate ..................:thup:

 

[Khamelion]

OP - why create a poll and ask others thoughts when you clearly refuse to listen to them at all, did you just need an argument this afternoon?

What do you want when someone posts a topic that they believe in, just to roll over and agree with the first person that disagrees with the original topic?

Okay, I may have repeated my point several times, but those were in reply to the several other posters who commented.

And what's the matter with a reasonable argument, as long as it's kept civil, people can put theirs own views over and the thread can grow with people debating what everyone has said, be it this topic or any other.

The only time threads start to descend towards nonsense and away from the original topic is when people post inflammatory posts trying to get a rise out of others rather than join the debate in question.

So yes in this instance you have succeeded in getting me to bite, but this will be the one and only time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There are thousands and thousands of English working around the world - a great deal of them in the military

When they serve in a country like Cyprus a decent amount give birth to children

With that they become British Citizens at birth and born in hospitals on the base - they aren't Cypriot they don't have a Cypriot passport they have a British one

Going by what you are saying they can only play for Cyprus ?

Your nationality isn't always dependant on the country you were born in

My brother was born in Malta but he is British

That's the problem with your statement - it's not practical in any sense due to many circumstances that appear.

Someone mentioned Terry Butcher - you couldn't find a footballer more English - yet you wouldn't allow him to play for England

Nationality is more than just about the place you were born

The answer to your poll is a clear no - and it's a clear no because it's exactly how every single sporting body works.

Now people like Januzaj are totally different - he shouldn't play for England because he isn't English and not just because of the country he was born in

 

[In_The_Rough]

If I was born in Spain but both of my parents are English then I would not want to play for Spain. Do not see a problem in this

 

[Khamelion]

There are thousands and thousands of English working around the world - a great deal of them in the military

When they serve in a country like Cyprus a decent amount give birth to children

With that they become British Citizens at birth and born in hospitals on the base - they aren't Cypriot they don't have a Cypriot passport they have a British one

Going by what you are saying they can only play for Cyprus ?

Your nationality isn't always dependant on the country you were born in

My brother was born in Malta but he is British

That's the problem with your statement - it's not practical in any sense due to many circumstances that appear.

Someone mentioned Terry Butcher - you couldn't find a footballer more English - yet you wouldn't allow him to play for England

Nationality is more than just about the place you were born

The answer to your poll is a clear no - and it's a clear no because it's exactly how every single sporting body works.

Now people like Januzaj are totally different - he shouldn't play for England because he isn't English and not just because of the country he was born in

Somebody else mentioned army bases and embassies, now I know that embassies are the sovereign territory of the country they represent and as such if you were born in an English embassy in France you would be English.

I also wrote that having never been in the forces I was unsure whether, a foreign army base in in another country hold sovereign territory rights in the same way an embassy does. I suspect the answer is yes it does, in which case if you were born in an army base then you would belong to that armies nationality.

However having read some of the other posts from those with or knowing someone from the forces, it would appear that if you then get your birth certificate issued by which ever embassy or consulate you decide to go to, then that becomes your nationality.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Both Fragger and Me popped out in Hong Kong to English parents....
In my view, if I'd have been good enough, I should have had a choice of either HK or England. Simple as that. The Country of your birth or that of your parents - so if my Old Man was Scottish I would have had a choice of the 3..

This^^^^^ then their should be no confusion.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Somebody else mentioned army bases and embassies, now I know that embassies are the sovereign territory of the country they represent and as such if you were born in an English embassy in France you would be English.

I also wrote that having never been in the forces I was unsure whether, a foreign army base in in another country hold sovereign territory rights in the same way an embassy does. I suspect the answer is yes it does, in which case if you were born in an army base then you would belong to that armies nationality.

You have missed the point

Some don't arent born on the base - some are born in local hospitals , my brother was born in a local hospital , Terry Butcher was born in a local hospital

It's the same with non military going to work abroad for 2 years and have a child

Being where you are born doesn't determine your nationality - your parentage and passport also contribute

It isn't black and white and can't ever been treated as such

 

[Papas1982]

This^^^^^ then their should be no confusion.

I think the common view is that parentage and birthplace are the main criteria. I think in relation to the op. English football doesn't have much of a problem with its selection process. But worldwide the whole citizen ship has become silly. Ireland in the 90's taking anyone. Or in today's game the braziiains player for Eastern block countries.....

 

[Pin-seeker]

If I was born in Spain but both of my parents are English then I would not want to play for Spain. Do not see a problem in this

Think I'd be opting for Spain at the minute mate.

 

[Foxholer]

This^^^^^ then their should be no confusion.

While I agree on the choice. I don't see why someone should automatically have the right to play for the country that his/her parents may have decided to emigrate from. There should be some sort of residency requirement as well.

Another issue would be if the country of birth didn't actually have a National team.

And the same criteria should apply across all sports too - with maybe a few tweaks!

 

[Papas1982]

While I agree on the choice. I don't see why someone should automatically have the right to play for the country that his/her parents may have decided to emigrate from. There should be some sort of residency requirement as well.

Another issue would be if the country of birth didn't actually have a National team for the sport where the player excelled!

I think that's just hard luck, if I'm american born with American parents and at 20 move to the uk and find out I'm a natural at cricket that's just tough luck if my country doesn't have a team. Of course cricket is the worst possible example to actually use here.

 

[cleanstrike]

Worse yet, what if you were born in the British embassy in Germany!

Then you would be British anyway it because a British embassy anywhere in the world is still considered to be British soil.

 

[Khamelion]

I think that's just hard luck, if I'm american born with American parents and at 20 move to the uk and find out I'm a natural at cricket that's just tough luck if my country doesn't have a team. Of course cricket is the worst possible example to actually use here.

Not sure about cricket, but if using the same example using football as the sport, then as long as you have not chosen a national side and you live 3 years in the England you could then choose to represent England as your national side.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Not sure about cricket, but if using the same example using football as the sport, then as long as you have not chosen a national side and you live 3 years in the England you could then choose to represent England as your national side.

This shouldn't be aloud IMO. Makes a mockery of it.

 

[Papas1982]

Not sure about cricket, but if using the same example using football as the sport, then as long as you have not chosen a national side and you live 3 years in the England you could then choose to represent England as your national side.

And that I think is totally wrong. I think that representing the nationality you are, be that birth or parentage is totally different to citizen ship. But I do think there are exceptions. My best made at school was born in Oz but moved here at three. Much to his dad's disgust he has always supported England at footy. Now as it happens he was born without an ounce of sporting ability. But if he were if see no problem with representing England.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not sure about cricket, but if using the same example using football as the sport, then as long as you have not chosen a national side and you live 3 years in the England you could then choose to represent England as your national side.

Yes that shouldn't allowed

But that's different to your extreme measures of only playing for the country you were born in

Do you see the complications about that ?

 

[In_The_Rough]

Think I'd be opting for Spain at the minute mate.

Probably right in that aspect. What I mean is though I would not be committed to play for Spain, I just could not get motivated to put on a Spanish shirt. I have a mate who was born in my home town and both his parents are Italian and run the local Italian restaurant which is absolutely delicious by the way, he supports Inter Milan at club level and follows the Italian national team. Does not care 1 bit about English clubs or national side.

 

[Foxholer]

I have a mate who was born in my home town and both his parents are Italian and run the local Italian restaurant which is absolutely delicious by the way, he supports Inter Milan at club level and follows the Italian national team. Does not care 1 bit about English clubs or national side.

He should definitely NOT be allowed to play for England!

Though that would probably not be his choice either.

He should be given the choice though imo.

 

[Khamelion]

Yes that shouldn't allowed

But that's different to your extreme measures of only playing for the country you were born in

Do you see the complications about that ?

I've seen the complications from the get go of this thread, but seeing as I was the OP I've played devils advocate and stuck to my guns with what I wrote in the first post.

I do acknowledge that choosing a national side, or more the case these days a national side choosing you (assuming you are good enough) is a convoluted process, made all the more complicated by those in the European parliament decreeing people should have the right to roam and work where they like.

 

[stevie_r]

Just for a bit of clarification, for those who have no knowledge of HM Forces serving abroad, using my daughter as an example; She was born in Germany albeit in a British Military Hospital. At birth she was not entitled to German citizenship, never has been and never will be.