Initial Handicap wrong

[kcaton]

Hello all.

I have joined a club after previously being registered at the same club 4 years ago with a 16 handicap. I have put in 3 cards with the following scores, 88, 96, 92. I have been given a 12.5 handicap which I believe is low? Course SSS is 69, par 72.

I had lets say 5 pars, but bogeys, double bogeys.!

Can anyone give advise as to if this is correct?

Cheers all.

 

[fundy]

Welcome to the forum.

Not enough information to advise fully, it will depend on the adjusted score in each round with your worst scores rounded down to double bogeys. Does sound on the low side if nothing abnormal in there though

 

[louise_a]

Initial handicaps for men, will round down anything greater than a double bogey to a double, usually your best round of the 3 will be used after any rounding. Also I believe that an initial handicap should be a whole number so 13.0 not 12.5. Previous handicaps can be taken into account but all in all 12.5 definitely looks wrong to me.

 

[kcaton]

Thanks for the welcome...I adjusted my scores and the looked a little like this 18, 20, 20 approximate. (over par that is)

Does that help??

 

[fundy]

Thanks for the welcome...I adjusted my scores and the looked a little like this 18, 20, 20 approximate. (over par that is)

Does that help??

you need to compare to SSS not par but that makes them worse anyway.

If I was you I would approach the handicap secretary and explain to him that you are confused as the handicap you have been allocated is lower than you expected and ask him to explain how he arrived at that figure.

I expect most would have allocated you your old 16 handicap with your scores being close but not below that level

 

[kcaton]

Cheers and thanks for the comments.

 

[pbrown7582]

Agree there shouldn't be a decimal in the initial allocation.

 

[Father_Ted]

i was initially allocted a handicap that ended in .5 at one club

when i queried it the h/sec stated that he used that where someone seemed better than the handicap to be allocated from the 3 cards

so any cut would mean a reduction in playing handicap

in this case though the initial setting does seem too low

does the club run comps in divisions that match categories? 13 is the start of category 3 so he may be trying to protect against banditry by newbies and could reassess and adjust after a few comps

 

[kcaton]

Yes they have division but 18+ is the second division.

I have since spoken to the handicap secretary and his response was as follows:

He took the best score I had on each hole spread over 3 cards, so basically he looked at all three cards and picked the best score for hole 1, then hole two and so on. He stated that when he did this I was 10 over par, therefore somehow gave me 12.5???

Adopting this system means that they have totally discounted the normal play and my scores over 3 rounds just picked out the best holes i had.

I would just like to know from anyone if this is the official CONGHU way of calculating and initial handicap? As I thought it was 3 cards, adjusted for anything over double bogey then a average of the 3 adjusted scores???

Just seems very very odd that 2 yeas previous my handicap was 16.4, I leave the club and rejoin two years later with 88, 96 & 92 cards (admittedly with a number of pars over 3 card) and I get 12.5

Thanks!!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes they have division but 18+ is the second division.

I have since spoken to the handicap secretary and his response was as follows:

He took the best score I had on each hole spread over 3 cards, so basically he looked at all three cards and picked the best score for hole 1, then hole two and so on. He stated that when he did this I was 10 over par, therefore somehow gave me 12.5???

Adopting this system means that they have totally discounted the normal play and my scores over 3 rounds just picked out the best holes i had.

I would just like to know from anyone if this is the official CONGHU way of calculating and initial handicap? As I thought it was 3 cards, adjusted for anything over double bogey then a average of the 3 adjusted scores???

Just seems very very odd that 2 yeas previous my handicap was 16.4, I leave the club and rejoin two years later with 88, 96 & 92 cards (admittedly with a number of pars over 3 card) and I get 12.5

Thanks!!!

http://www.congu.com/obtaining.htm

 

[Craigg]

Seems a bit daft to me. 6 pars on six different holes in three cards would see you playing off scratch?

 

[kcaton]

Quote from the link you sent Liverpoolphil!!!!!!

"The cards are then assessed and the club allocates a CONGU® handicap based on the amount the lowest score returned exceeds the Standard Scratch Score of the course played (after taking into account other factors it considers relevant)."

To me this reads that the lowest adjusted score over the round played not each individual hole?? Seems my handicap secretary is doing each hole individually? Sounds incorrect to me and can he do this or is it outside the official rules

 

[ger147]

Quote from the link you sent Liverpoolphil!!!!!!

"The cards are then assessed and the club allocates a CONGU® handicap based on the amount the lowest score returned exceeds the Standard Scratch Score of the course played (after taking into account other factors it considers relevant)."

To me this reads that the lowest adjusted score over the round played not each individual hole?? Seems my handicap secretary is doing each hole individually? Sounds incorrect to me and can he do this or is it outside the official rules

If he is using the best individual score from each hole across 3 different cards that is deffo not correct and should show him the text above. If you get no joy at the club contact the EGU (assuming you're based in England).

 

[kcaton]

It seems we agree on the above and thanks for the input. Cheers

 

[delc]

Yes they have division but 18+ is the second division.

I have since spoken to the handicap secretary and his response was as follows:

He took the best score I had on each hole spread over 3 cards, so basically he looked at all three cards and picked the best score for hole 1, then hole two and so on. He stated that when he did this I was 10 over par, therefore somehow gave me 12.5???

Adopting this system means that they have totally discounted the normal play and my scores over 3 rounds just picked out the best holes i had.

I would just like to know from anyone if this is the official CONGHU way of calculating and initial handicap? As I thought it was 3 cards, adjusted for anything over double bogey then a average of the 3 adjusted scores???

Just seems very very odd that 2 yeas previous my handicap was 16.4, I leave the club and rejoin two years later with 88, 96 & 92 cards (admittedly with a number of pars over 3 card) and I get 12.5

Thanks!!!

I thought the correct procedure was to base your handicap on the best of the three cards after rounding down to double Bogeys, not cherry picking the best individual hole scores from all three!

 

[Farneyman]

Hello all.

I have joined a club after previously being registered at the same club 4 years ago with a 16 handicap. I have put in 3 cards with the following scores, 88, 96, 92. I have been given a 12.5 handicap which I believe is low? Course SSS is 69, par 72.

I had lets say 5 pars, but bogeys, double bogeys.!

Can anyone give advise as to if this is correct?

Cheers all.

So 4 years ago you were off 16 and now you have a handicap of 13??? Do you think you are a better golfer than you were 4 years ago?

I would suggest you just get on with it and and play of your 13 hc or do you want a higher hc so you may win something?

As far as the actual allocation of hc's and how they are calculated I have no idea of the exact method. If you played to 16 4 years ago then that is roughly the same to a 13 hc hitting buffer. I think lol Good luck trying to play to it whatever you end up with.

 

[kcaton]

Exactly Delc... I think our handicap guy has misinterpreted the Congu guidelines. May sound like I am complaining but I have never shot less that 85 in my life lol

 

[duncan mackie]

Exactly Delc... I think our handicap guy has misinterpreted the Congu guidelines. May sound like I am complaining but I have never shot less that 85 in my life lol

As you say, it sounds like he is doing it fundamentally incorrectly.

However, on the other hand I don't understand how you could apply nett double bogey adjustments to your cards and manage to come up with more over par than the original gross scores! !! But as this is irrelevant let's leave that to one side.

 

[Foxholer]

Yes they have division but 18+ is the second division.

I have since spoken to the handicap secretary and his response was as follows:

He took the best score I had on each hole spread over 3 cards, so basically he looked at all three cards and picked the best score for hole 1, then hole two and so on. He stated that when he did this I was 10 over par, therefore somehow gave me 12.5???

Adopting this system means that they have totally discounted the normal play and my scores over 3 rounds just picked out the best holes i had.

I would just like to know from anyone if this is the official CONGHU way of calculating and initial handicap? As I thought it was 3 cards, adjusted for anything over double bogey then a average of the 3 adjusted scores???

Just seems very very odd that 2 yeas previous my handicap was 16.4, I leave the club and rejoin two years later with 88, 96 & 92 cards (admittedly with a number of pars over 3 card) and I get 12.5

Thanks!!!

That's definitely not the official Congu method - and is a daft way of doing it.

How did he then come up with the 12.5?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Exactly Delc... I think our handicap guy has misinterpreted the Congu guidelines. May sound like I am complaining but I have never shot less that 85 in my life lol

He has allocated a HC using an incorrect method - i would show him the passage of words that in the link i gave you and if he is unwilling to correct the initial allocation then i would go to the county.