How many did we win by?

[backwoodsman]

In a 4BBB match on Sunday, we were winning comfortably - standing on 12th tee we were dormie 7. Playing the hole, one oppo loses a ball and is out of it. My partner putts close and is conceded a putt for a 4. Both me & remaining oppo have a putt for a 3. Him to play first and he needs to sink his to keep the match alive. He misses. Hands are shaken without me taking my putt.

Given that the match was over regardless of my putt, was my putt actually conceded? Did we win 7&6 or 8&6 ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

8 and 6 :thup:

 

[backwoodsman]

8 and 6 :thup:

Thought so - just wasn't sure about my putt.

It's not relevant to anything; it just sounds a better win.

 

[rosecott]

Thought so - just wasn't sure about my putt.

It's not relevant to anything; it just sounds a better win.

A gentleman would call it 7&6 - Phil obviously isn't. The opponent was conceding the match as he could only halve the hole at best.

 

[Craigg]

By the very act of shaking your hand, he has conceded your putt, thus giving you the hole, and the match 8 and 6.

 

[backwoodsman]

A gentleman would call it 7&6 - Phil obviously isn't. The opponent was conceding the match as he could only halve the hole at best.

My thought is that they couldn't be conceding the match - as it was already lost. More that they were shaking hands at the end. But my putt was "unresolved". Hence my doubt over it?

 

[rulefan]

Match conceded. No score.

 

[Colin L]

Dog licence.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A gentleman would call it 7&6 - Phil obviously isn't. The opponent was conceding the match as he could only halve the hole at best.

Excuse me ?!

The opponent conceded the hole and therefore the match - but don't make remarks like that please

 

[doublebogey7]

In a 4BBB match on Sunday, we were winning comfortably - standing on 12th tee we were dormie 7. Playing the hole, one oppo loses a ball and is out of it. My partner putts close and is conceded a putt for a 4. Both me & remaining oppo have a putt for a 3. Him to play first and he needs to sink his to keep the match alive. He misses. Hands are shaken without me taking my putt.

Given that the match was over regardless of my putt, was my putt actually conceded? Did we win 7&6 or 8&6 ?

The rules of golf would say the match is conceded, with no score as Rulefan says. But many clubs included mine run leagues where the determining factor for final positions can involve aggregate. In which case, the competetion rules ought to include a section on how the score determined. Ours don't currently, though I suspect that may change as 2 matches have been conceded this season well before the match has been won and there has been many club house discussion about what score should be recorded. The result being that the 2 matches scores were recorded using different criteria.

 

[backwoodsman]

Match conceded. No score.

I'm slightly confused by the "match conceded" thing. If the oppo's third shot didn't go in, they would lose the match. It didnt go in, so they lost. Can you concede a match you have already lost?

 

[chrisd]

I'm slightly confused by the "match conceded" thing. If the oppo's third shot didn't go in, they would lose the match. It didnt go in, so they lost. Can you concede a match you have already lost?

In many ways its just a formal end to the game. If you'd have had a 40ft putt but elected for your partner to putt first and he did enough to win the match, you would still not have putted just to make the score 8 and 6

 

[Kellfire]

I'd say "8&6 then?" as we shook hands, just to confirm that the shake was a concession of the hole. Informal but gets to the point. If they disagree, then we'd sort it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'd say 8&6 - our Winter League matches have to be 'played out' as the holes up matter. So you can win 4&3 but lose the final 3 holes with the result that goes up being win for us - 1up counting in case of teams on equal points.

So in respect of original post - we are dormie 1. We play last and they miss the putt they needed to make to make us putt so they shake (and so we don't need to putt out) We win 2up. The shake of hand gives us the hole. They shouldn't actually do that - even although they can't win the hole to half the match, they should force us to make the putt to win the hole.

 

[Keeno]

A gentleman would call it 7&6 - Phil obviously isn't. The opponent was conceding the match as he could only halve the hole at best.

This would be my thinking. 7&6

 

[Region3]

If you want to look at it another way, if the oppo shook hands as soon as his putt missed then he hasn't even made the 4 to halve the hole, regardless of what happens to your putt.

If it was just for the record I'd call it 7&6. If it mattered for a league I'd want to call it 8&6.

 

[delc]

I would say that when he shook your hand, he was conceding your putt and the match. Therefore the score is 8&6.

 

[Three]

In a 4BBB match on Sunday, we were winning comfortably - standing on 12th tee we were dormie 7. Playing the hole, one oppo loses a ball and is out of it. My partner putts close and is conceded a putt for a 4. Both me & remaining oppo have a putt for a 3. Him to play first and he needs to sink his to keep the match alive. He misses. Hands are shaken without me taking my putt.

Given that the match was over regardless of my putt, was my putt actually conceded? Did we win 7&6 or 8&6 ?

In singles I would say 8&6 because you would have had 2 putts to win and he conceded, hence conceding your putt for a 3.

However in the scenario given, your partner scored a 4, and as soon as the oppo missed his putt for a 3, the game was immediately finished, therefore 7&6.

The "no score" is nonsense.

If you were in a league situation where each hole counts, you could have putted for your 3 to make it 8&6 (or clarify that your 3 is conceded) , however in a normal knockout I say it's 7&6 .

 

[backwoodsman]

Crikey, I wasn't expecting quite so much on this.

In light of the various comments, I'm now thinking 7&6. My partner was in for 4 so oppo had to sink the putt for a 3 to have a chance of winning the hole (with me yet to putt, also for a possible 3). Anything less than a win for them was a lost match. The putt missed and was conceded for 4 (although not sure the concession was necessary as the fact of the miss meant the match was lost). Therefore one assumes match over as soon as the determining putt didn't drop, and my putt becomes irrelevant - neither conceded nor not conceded, just irrelevant and outside the now finished match?

For info, actual result is not of consequence - it was straightforward knock-out so no league points or anything to be had. I was just curious whether or my putt was conceded and whether it affected the "score".

Ta all.

 

[Three]

Therefore one assumes match over as soon as the determining putt didn't drop, and my putt becomes irrelevant - neither conceded nor not conceded, just irrelevant and outside the now finished match?



Ta all.

That makes the most sense to me.