how long is too long for a game of golf?

I can't understand why seeing the time would mess up your game? Surely the game is about playing the shot, not finishing within an allotted time??

I've often said that if people don't like slow rounds, they shouldn't play at busy times. Nothing worse than someone moaning that the round took more than 4 hours when playing at 9am in the monthly medal... if you want to play at the speed of light, tee off at 7am or wait until the course quietens down at 3pm?

Just because the course is busy or indeed full does not in itself excuse a long (and hence slow) round. If you play at a busy time and then pace yourself in expectation of a slow round, then you become part of the problem.
 
Says everyone who get stuck behind a slow group, if it gets tolerated then it will never change. Etiquette is all about staying behind the group in front not just ahead of the group behind.

Staying behind the group ahead doesn't speed things up. 10 groups keeping up with each other doesn't guarantee a 3 1/2 hour round.

If the course is tough, and the players all of a mid-to-high handicap, then generally the game will be longer.

I'm just saying that if you let it get to you, then maybe golf isn't the sport for you. It's not like you don't know that golf is sport which is played over a varied period of time.

At the end of the day, who gets more annoyed at slow play? The slow player, who goes along blissfully unaware he or she is causing an upset to a group behind them, or the person who checks their watch and after 3 hours loses their concentration and game because they haven't made it round in the specific allotted time they wanted to go round in?

Not worth getting stressed over.
 
Just because the course is busy or indeed full does not in itself excuse a long (and hence slow) round. If you play at a busy time and then pace yourself in expectation of a slow round, then you become part of the problem.

But a 4 1/2 hour round isn't a problem if you don't set time limits in your head or, as the earlier poster said, get annoyed you've been on the course more than 3 hours.

It's about managing your game as much as it is time. People who let longer games take a toll on their game are foolish, it's only a game after all.

I realise I'm making myself look like a fan of slow rounds, and I'm not, but if everybody learnt to deal with slow rounds better then the whole slow round problem would ease off. It's only a hobby!
 
We are not going to solve the problem of slow play in general until something is done about slow play on the pro tours. Problem is that the hackers ape all the endless pre-shot routines of the pros, as seen on TV, for every shot, while still failing to break 100. Society Days are particularly bad in this respect, because they often include a number of people who rarely play golf. In my opinion, three-and-a-half hours is plenty long enough to play a round of golf, and this was almost always the case before there was much golf on television. :rolleyes:

Again it's not just the supposed "hackers" with endless pre shot routines
 
Just because the course is busy or indeed full does not in itself excuse a long (and hence slow) round. If you play at a busy time and then pace yourself in expectation of a slow round, then you become part of the problem.

I can see both sides of this but, at the end of the day, you can only play at course speed in such situations - you are part of the problem by being there, not by playing at the course speed.

I might also point out that the rounds at West Hill last Sept, and North Hants last week, were not exactly the 3 - 3.5 hour ones that you might reasonably expect from some of the posts here!
 
I can see both sides of this but, at the end of the day, you can only play at course speed in such situations - you are part of the problem by being there, not by playing at the course speed.

I might also point out that the rounds at West Hill last Sept, and North Hants last week, were not exactly the 3 - 3.5 hour ones that you might reasonably expect from some of the posts here!

Reckon we went around in just under 5 hours
 
I can see both sides here. Slow play can be a problem but then so can expecting to get round in under 3 hours and the expecation of that leads to complaints. My course just never seems to be a fast course to play. Lots of water hazards and lost balls to contend with. I hear lots of complaining about slow play though but those complaining never seem to get that it will always be that way so best get used to it. I hadn't been there long when we played Men v Ladies with us of the whites and men of the reds (great fun). To complicate further it was better ball matchplay but also a prize for the highest scoring pair! Our 11th is a driveable Par 4 for me so for sure for some of the guys off the reds. There was a jam there as it was playing more like a Par 3 and one of the guys with us went on and on and on about how the problem with the club was slow play...he just didn't seem to get that in this particular situation it would be slower than ever...ladies playing the course long, men playing the course short, matchplay and stableford all at the same time. In fact the slow play in our group was the guys debating what club off the reds to take - for us it was simple "driver...driver...driver"!

Watching The Ryder Cup I was amazed how many times a player would take his shot to the green, land on it, and then the camera pan to his opponent who was debating with his caddy long and hard what shot/club etc etc. What was the wind doing...etc etc. Now for me, even in matchplay, you have a pretty damned good idea what shot your about to take and most of the decision is made in good time.

I do play with one high handicapper who watches the pros and for sure picks up their routines - often with no understanding as to why. Stand behind ball with club pointing down target (a la Rose) but weirdly half tucked under arm rather than held out...I asked what she was doing and what her routine for target/alignment was and she didn't really know what I was talking about!
 
Staying behind the group ahead doesn't speed things up. 10 groups keeping up with each other doesn't guarantee a 3 1/2 hour round.

If the course is tough, and the players all of a mid-to-high handicap, then generally the game will be longer.

I'm just saying that if you let it get to you, then maybe golf isn't the sport for you. It's not like you don't know that golf is sport which is played over a varied period of time.

At the end of the day, who gets more annoyed at slow play? The slow player, who goes along blissfully unaware he or she is causing an upset to a group behind them, or the person who checks their watch and after 3 hours loses their concentration and game because they haven't made it round in the specific allotted time they wanted to go round in?

Not worth getting stressed over.

And people who can't shoot under 90 then maybe golf isn't for them. ;)

If the course is taking 5 hours and no one is waiting around then thats the pace but if you need to wait on every shot then thats too slow.
 
On Saturday my fourball played the front nine of Wentworth West course in the pouring rain (with all the faffing about that that entails) in 2hrs 10mins. We didn't rush and played at our own pace as no one in front and no-one behind. Back nine took a little longer as we had to hunt for balls in the tough rough more than we had on the front - and we ended up taking just under 4 and half hours. Not bad we thought - given the soaking we got for 13 holes and we did 'stop and admire the view' quite a lot.
 
Again it's not just the supposed "hackers" with endless pre shot routines

True! I did consider using the term 'club golfers', but this would have excluded pay and play golfers. Generally the lower handicap players are quicker because they take less shots, but I do know some exceptions to this rule! :)
 
True! I did consider using the term 'club golfers', but this would have excluded pay and play golfers. Generally the lower handicap players are quicker because they take less shots, but I do know some exceptions to this rule! :)

How about the term - golfers as opposed to suggesting a certain level take a particular amount of time
 
How about the term - golfers as opposed to suggesting a certain level take a particular amount of time

I'm 100% with you. Hackers are clearly slow but your average high handicapper is not wasting time over every shot visualising and getting into the zone, taking minutes to pick a club, changing their mind etc. Neither do they walk four times around every putt. You may argue if they did then they would be better but that is not entirely true. For me it tends to be the elite or wannabee elite golfer that acts like this. I will regularly take 90+ shots per round but play at a decent speed and will easily keep up with someone shooting 70.
 
How about - just golfers because your handicap or ability doesnt relate to pace of play

Phil, your defence of hackers is admirable but rather blinkered. On average better players play quicker if only due to taking less shots and spending less time searching for balls. There are obviously exceptions but a clear relationship exists between ability and pace of play.
 
First off let's call them high handicappers instead of hackers - bit more polite and less insulting towards their ability

Second they may take more shots but they don't then spend ages over each shot like I have seen from low HC or even mid HC
 
First off let's call them high handicappers instead of hackers - bit more polite and less insulting towards their ability

Second they may take more shots but they don't then spend ages over each shot like I have seen from low HC or even mid HC

I've seen plenty of..... high handicappers.... take ages over shots too. I'd say there is no correlation between ability and the length of time it takes to play a shot - some fast and slow players at both ends of the spectrum.

I'm not criticising anyone for needing more shots, incidentally, just taking issue with your illogical claim that there's no relationship between ability and how long it takes to play a round.
 
One of the biggest causes of slow play, is not being ready to play when it is your turn. Not sure handicap has anything to do with that.

When I 'hack' it round in 90 odd, I can assure everyone I am taking very little time over each shot.:thup:
 
First off let's call them high handicappers instead of hackers - bit more polite and less insulting towards their ability

Second they may take more shots but they don't then spend ages over each shot like I have seen from low HC or even mid HC
I still come back to slow play on the pro tours setting a bad example. Keen young players are often particularly slow, because they copy the pre-shot routines of the tour pros, as seen on TV. Five hour plus rounds seem to be almost the norm for professional tournaments these days, and it is filtering down to club level. Apart from anything else, just watching golf on TV is becoming boring because of slow play. Tour pros should be given a maximum time to play a shot once they have reached their ball and it's clear to play, with penalty strokes added if they fail to do so. That should speed things up a bit! :)
 
One of the biggest causes of slow play, is not being ready to play when it is your turn. Not sure handicap has anything to do with that.

When I 'hack' it round in 90 odd, I can assure everyone I am taking very little time over each shot.:thup:

Yep -spot on Rich :thup:
 
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