How does Scottish Independence affect the rest of the Union?

[Deleted member 15344]

The vast majority of the presently constituted UK population live in England, yet we have no English Regional Government or Assembly. Scottish MP's can vote on matters that affect the English, but have no effect on their voters, such as increased prescription charges in England, and Tuition Fees and Student Loans for English Universities. The so called West Lothian Question!

The last Labour Government, headed by Tony Blair (Scottish name, educated in Scotland, probable Scottish connections), Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and others (definitely Scottish) allowed over 4 million immigrants to flood into the UK, mostly to England, in the hope that they would vote for and keep Labour in power for ever. Didn't work! Now our roads, schools, hospitals and other public services are totally overwhelmed by sheer numbers. I happened to be driving through a suburb of North-West London this afternoon, at School chucking out time. Hardly any of the kids looked exactly native British, but plenty of Indians, Africans, West Indians, East Europeans and East Asians. If I go shopping in my local town, it's getting rare to actually hear English spoken! I have nothing against these people, but should they really be living in our country?
:mmm:

What exactly does a native British person look like ?

How about the shocking thought for you that a lot of those people coming out of the schools are British by birth ?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

The vast majority of the presently constituted UK population live in England, yet we have no English Regional Government or Assembly. Scottish MP's can vote on matters that affect the English, but have no effect on their voters, such as increased prescription charges in England, and Tuition Fees and Student Loans for English Universities. The so called West Lothian Question!

The last Labour Government, headed by Tony Blair (Scottish name, educated in Scotland, probable Scottish connections), Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and others (definitely Scottish) allowed over 4 million immigrants to flood into the UK, mostly to England, in the hope that they would vote for and keep Labour in power for ever. Didn't work! Now our roads, schools, hospitals and other public services are totally overwhelmed by sheer numbers. I happened to be driving through a suburb of North-West London this afternoon, at School chucking out time. Hardly any of the kids looked exactly native British, but plenty of Indians, Africans, West Indians, East Europeans and East Asians. If I go shopping in my local town, it's getting rare to actually hear English spoken! I have nothing against these people, but should they really be living in our country?
:mmm:

Dont want to be going off topic please

Lets just keep it to the Scottish debate

Thanks

 

[delc]

Dont want to be going off topic please

Lets just keep it to the Scottish debate

Thanks

One of the advantages of Scottish Independence would be that we would no longer have Scottish MP's meddling in the affairs of the rest of the UK, as the Scottish contingent of the last New Labour Government definitely did!

 

[williamalex1]

Phil, you need to pick your battles better. Englandshire is an affectionate nickname for England that many of us use. Including myself on at least one of these threads.

I'm also rather fond of using Walesland. :thup:

Do you mean Walliesland.

 

[User62651]

The vast majority of the presently constituted UK population live in England, yet we have no English Regional Government or Assembly. Scottish MP's can vote on matters that affect the English, but have no effect on their voters, such as increased prescription charges in England, and Tuition Fees and Student Loans for English Universities. The so called West Lothian Question!

The last Labour Government, headed by Tony Blair (Scottish name, educated in Scotland, probable Scottish connections), Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and others (definitely Scottish) allowed over 4 million immigrants to flood into the UK, mostly to England, in the hope that they would vote for and keep Labour in power for ever. Didn't work! Now our roads, schools, hospitals and other public services are totally overwhelmed by sheer numbers. I happened to be driving through a suburb of North-West London this afternoon, at School chucking out time. Hardly any of the kids looked exactly native British, but plenty of Indians, Africans, West Indians, East Europeans and East Asians. If I go shopping in my local town, it's getting rare to actually hear English spoken! I have nothing against these people, but should they really be living in our country?
:mmm:

Very fair post, summarises why Labour were defeated so badly at Holyrood election in 2011 leading us where we are now. Salmond played him like a fiddle. If I was English I'd feel like you. Now Brown is parading about up here like he's the messiah here to save us all - mans a self-serving prize plonker and utter hypocrite - him and Blair had 13 years to make a difference but failed but now all of a sudden he can make the difference. Treading all over Darling now like he tried to do for 11 years with Blair.

 

[delc]

What exactly does a native British person look like ?

How about fair skinned with blonde, brown, black or red hair?

 

[williamalex1]

How about fair skinned with blonde, brown, black or red hair?

Any phone numbers ?? haha

 

[delc]

Very fair post, summarises why Labour were defeated so badly at Holyrood election in 2011 leading us where we are now. Salmond played him like a fiddle. If I was English I'd feel like you. Now Brown is parading about up here like he's the messiah here to save us all - mans a self-serving prize plonker and utter hypocrite - him and Blair had 13 years to make a difference but failed but now all of a sudden he can make the difference. Treading all over Darling now like he tried to do for 11 years with Blair.

So Jeremy Clarkson's description of Gordon Brown as being a "One-eyed, Scottish idiot" was about right then!

 

[Foxholer]

So Jeremy Clarkson's description of Gordon Brown as being a "One-eyed, Scottish idiot" was about right then!

That was definitely a case of Pot and Kettle! Though Clarkson had to add 3 additional descriptive words to his rant. Simply stating (Jeremy) Clarkson is sufficient in his case!

 

[NWJocko]

How about fair skinned with blonde, brown, black or red hair?

Nothing like a bit of casual racism on a Monday evening eh!?

Wtf, have you left your house since the 1940's!?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How about fair skinned with blonde, brown, black or red hair?

Utterly speechless.

 

[delc]

That was definitely a case of Pot and Kettle! Though Clarkson had to add 3 additional descriptive words to his rant. Simply stating (Jeremy) Clarkson is sufficient in his case!

New Labour's legacy:

1) Got us involved in two unnecessary and very expensive wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), which solved nothing and actually made matters worse.

2) Built up the biggest National debt in the UK's peacetime history.

3) Gordon Brown flogged off most of our gold reserves at a rock bottom price.

4) Society became more unequal than ever (bankers vs the rest).

5) Presided over the biggest financial crash ever.

6) UK flooded with immigrants.

If Scotland want a Socialist Government, they are very welcome to it!

 

[chrisd]

- him and Blair had 13 years to make a difference but failed but now all of a sudden he can make the difference. .

Him and Blair did make a difference - Blair took us into a disasterous war and Brown wrecked the countries economy, how much "more difference " would we want these two idiots to make?

 

[delc]

Utterly speechless.

I believe that most of them speak perfectly good English (or Gaelic, or Welsh)!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

New Labour's legacy:

1) Got us involved in two unnecessary and very expensive wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), which solved nothing and actually made matters worse.

2) Built up the biggest National debt in the UK's peacetime history.

3) Gordon Brown flogged off most of our gold reserves at a rock bottom price.

4) Society became more unequal than ever (bankers vs the rest).

5) Presided over the biggest financial crash ever.

6) UK flooded with immigrants.

If Scotland want a Socialist Government, they are very welcome to it!

The conflicts in both Iraq and Afghan have solved a lot of things and have given a lot of people a better future

Schools created , hospitals built , dictators removed , drug production reduced , houses and homes built , jobs created , democracy enabled , trade and industry started.

There will always be arguments about the rights and wrongs for going to both Iraq and Afghan but both countries are a damn sight better for the work our wonderful forces have done over there

Each government will have it's legacies - Labour have no doubt ruined theirs for a while in Scotland but there is in doubt a chance that if they become Independant in Scotland Labour could form the government

But let's not forget the problems this country ( UK ) has been in because of the Tories

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I believe that most of them speak perfectly good English (or Gaelic)!

Speechless about your casual racism.

 

[delc]

The conflicts in both Iraq and Afghan have solved a lot of things and have given a lot of people a better future

Schools created , hospitals built , dictators removed , drug production reduced , houses and homes built , jobs created , democracy enabled , trade and industry started.

There will always be arguments about the rights and wrongs for going to both Iraq and Afghan but both countries are a damn sight better for the work our wonderful forces have done over there

Each government will have it's legacies - Labour have no doubt ruined theirs for a while in Scotland but there is in doubt a chance that if they become Independant in Scotland Labour could form the government

But let's not forget the problems this country ( UK ) has been in because of the Tories

Islamic State and the Taliban? I think the Tory/Lib Dem Coalition are only trying to sort out the problems left by the last Labour Government!

 

[Foxholer]

That was definitely a case of Pot and Kettle! Though Clarkson had to add 3 additional descriptive words to his rant. Simply stating (Jeremy) Clarkson is sufficient in his case!

New Labour's legacy:

1) Got us involved in two unnecessary and very expensive wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), which solved nothing and actually made matters worse.

2) Built up the biggest National debt in the UK's peacetime history.

3) Gordon Brown flogged off most of our gold reserves at a rock bottom price.

4) Society became more unequal than ever (bankers vs the rest).

5) Presided over the biggest financial crash ever.

6) UK flooded with immigrants.

If Scotland want a Socialist Government, they are very welcome to it!

Why in tarnation did you quote my post in this gratuitous off-topic rant?!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Gents, back on topic please or the thread will be closed for the night

Last warning

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think I heard on the BBC news this evening that Cameron is giving, an interview to the beeb tomorrow on how Scottish independence would affect rest ,of uk