How does Scottish Independence affect the rest of the Union?

[PhilTheFragger]

I have a general rule in life

" There is no point in worrying about things that are outside of your control"

So stuff will or wont happen and we shall just adapt if necessary and move forward with whats left of our lives.

But one thing is for sure, Im not worried

 

[delc]

I've heard that Yorkshire will want independence next!!!

 

[Beezerk]

I've heard that Yorkshire will want independence next!!!

Specially if we win at t' cricket :cheers:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Specially if we win at t' cricket :cheers:

The English would even vote for Yorkshire Independence

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have a general rule in life

" There is no point in worrying about things that are outside of your control"

So stuff will or wont happen and we shall just adapt if necessary and move forward with whats left of our lives.

But one thing is for sure, Im not worried

What happens in Scotland is not in your control but the impact on England on whatever happens up there certainly is. You have an MP. You might want to ask him* what he knows about how the powers being offer to Scotland might affect his constituents.

*or her

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What happens in Scotland is not in your control but the impact on England on whatever happens up there certainly is. You have an MP. You might want to ask him* what he knows about how the powers being offer to Scotland might affect his constituents.

*or her

If there is a yes vote - will you be returning to Scotland ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If there is a yes vote - will you be returning to Scotland ?

Not immediately - maybe sometime in the future - why?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not immediately - maybe sometime in the future - why?

Well it's quite clear you want an Independant Scotland and all that comes with that so would expect you to leave the UK/England and join your fellow Yes people in Scotland ? If you don't leave then im not sure why ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well it's quite clear you want an Independant Scotland and all that comes with that so would expect you to leave the UK/England and join your fellow Yes people in Scotland ? If you don't leave then im not sure why ?

In my heart I might - but I'm not so sure. And living outside of Scotland for 30yrs I cannot tell how I would feel if I lived there and had a vote. I voted SNP from the mid-70s to early 80s when it didn't really matter and independance wasn't on the cards or in truth even particularly a 'within my lifetime' aspiration.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In my heart I might - but I'm not so sure. And living outside of Scotland for 30yrs I cannot tell how I would feel if I lived there and had a vote.

Well that is certainly a massive mixed message ?!

Are you suggesting that when it came down to it if you had a vote you would vote No !

Well I'm surprised with that with the way you have posted on the subject

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well that is certainly a massive mixed message ?!

Are you suggesting that when it came down to it if you had a vote you would vote No !

Well I'm surprised with that with the way you have posted on the subject

I don't honestly know how I'd vote because I don't live in Scotland and as mentioned I have lived in England for 30yrs. My heart is YES but that comes from feelings from way back then. Today I look from apart. Over the years I have heard a lot of rubbish spouted by Scots about England (we have gone over this stuff at length in this place) and that has annoyed me. I am closer to a NO than I ever thought I would be.

But I am very annoyed at our Westminster politicians doing what they are doing now at this very late stage - throwing a huge stone into the water and making great waves of uncertainty around what a NO would mean without there being time for the offers to be properly understood - by anyone - and that seems to me to be disrespect to the process and the sort of thing that might have made me a YES

 

[Birchy]

As somebody English living in England I couldn't really care too much if the neighbours want a detached house. If they can round up enough idiots that think yes is a good idea then good luck because the future wont be so rosy carrying that amount of fools. They clearly haven't considered the negatives of a Yes vote.

I see most people who have their head screwed on are voting NO, I hope for their sake there's enough of them.

As for the English down here who don't really have a say in it, im sure we will cope. Not the type to throw the towel in no matter what happens so I wont be losing any sleep.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't honestly know how I'd vote because I don't live in Scotland and as mentioned I have lived in England for 30yrs. My heart is YES but that comes from feelings from way back then. Today I look from apart. Over the years I have heard a lot of rubbish spouted by Scots about England (we have gone over this stuff at length in this place) and that has annoyed me. I am closer to a NO than I ever thought I would be.

But I am very annoyed at our Westminster politicians doing what they are doing now at this very late stage - throwing a huge stone into the water and making great waves of uncertainty around what a NO would mean without there being time for the offers to be properly understood - by anyone - and that seems to me to be disrespect to the process and the sort of thing that might have made me a YES

Maybe I have misread things but that goes against everything your attitude has displayed on him

Lots of "We" in regards Scotland and lots of posts that appear to be very supportive of a yes vote

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Maybe I have misread things but that goes against everything your attitude has displayed on him

Lots of "We" in regards Scotland and lots of posts that appear to be very supportive of a yes vote

I told you I am at heart YES and so will tend to be 'protective' when I see arguments made against a YES based upon false premises; or incorrect information; or deliberate misconstruing of information. I do not need to have the same feelings the other way around - I am not at all protective of the NO position even although I find myself with NO inklings - if I had a vote I might feel different.

And regards my use of We in the context of this discussion - I have to force myself to not refer to We when a point is made about the Scottish electorate - and I believe I usually succeed. I will include myself in We (Scots) when talking about us Scots in general and not directly in relation to the vote itself.

 

[patricks148]

As somebody English living in England I couldn't really care too much if the neighbours want a detached house. If they can round up enough idiots that think yes is a good idea then good luck because the future wont be so rosy carrying that amount of fools. They clearly haven't considered the negatives of a Yes vote.

I see most people who have their head screwed on are voting NO, I hope for their sake there's enough of them.

As for the English down here who don't really have a say in it, im sure we will cope. Not the type to throw the towel in no matter what happens so I wont be losing any sleep.

is that your expert opinion

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Do you not watch the news? They have already made murmurings..............if we go, I have no doubt they will go too!

But, personally I think the vote will be no, better the devil you know and all that will likely prevail! It has been fun listening to some of this the last couple of months though!

Not based on the latest polls in Wales which show fewer than one person in six supports the idea of Welsh independence.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I told you I am at heart YES and so will tend to be 'protective' when I see arguments made against a YES based upon false premises; or incorrect information; or deliberate misconstruing of information. I do not need to have the same feelings the other way around - I am not at all protective of the NO position even although I find myself with NO inklings - if I had a vote I might feel different.

And regards my use of We in the context of this discussion - I have to force myself to not refer to We when a point is made about the Scottish electorate - and I believe I usually succeed. I will include myself in We (Scots) when talking about us Scots in general and not directly in relation to the vote itself.

And that's how I see a lot of people I'm Scotland right now

Heart says - let's be free and run our country how we see fit and without the shackles of Westminster

But head says that's realistically it's possibly and in fact properly not a great idea in the current state of the world

 

[Birchy]

is that your expert opinion

Yep.

Im confident I will be on the more prosperous side of the border in the long run if the split does happen. If Scotland wants to let a load of idiots take them to the dogs then good luck :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As somebody English living in England I couldn't really care too much if the neighbours want a detached house. If they can round up enough idiots that think yes is a good idea then good luck because the future wont be so rosy carrying that amount of fools. They clearly haven't considered the negatives of a Yes vote.

I see most people who have their head screwed on are voting NO, I hope for their sake there's enough of them.

As for the English down here who don't really have a say in it, im sure we will cope. Not the type to throw the towel in no matter what happens so I wont be losing any sleep.

But if you live in a semi and your neighbours plan to knock out whole lumps of the party wall their side you'll just happily let them get on with it. And if you get mega cracks in your side, subsidence or collapse you'll deal with it then.

 

[Birchy]

But if you live in a semi and your neighbours plan to knock out whole lumps of the party wall their side you'll just happily let them get on with it. And if you get mega cracks in your side, subsidence or collapse you'll deal with it then.

Yep. The wall will get built up and the house will look as good as new. Pain in the arse but will get over it.

The neighbours will have a good deal more rebuilding to do though.