How does Scottish Independence affect the rest of the Union?

[Piece]

DFT is 100% correct, learn your history! The United Kingdom is only referred to that, as it's the uniting of two kingdoms from 1707.......Scotland and England!

Nearly, but not quite. Here's the bit missing in your history knowledge:

Google is your friend =>

"The Principality of Wales was incorporated into the Kingdom of England in 1536. In 1707, the kingdoms of Scotland and England were united to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, which in 1801, united with the Kingdom of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. In 1922, five-sixths of Ireland seceded from the UK, leaving the present formulation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

 

[ger147]

DFT is 100% correct, learn your history!

The United Kingdom is only referred to that, as it's the uniting of two kingdoms from 1707.......Scotland and England! If Scotland leaves it would no longer be a uniting of Kingdoms!

They may not change the name, but the reference would be outdated and have no significant meaning!

If you're going to dig people up for not knowing their history you should make sure you're correct yourself.

England and Scotland joining in 1707 formed the Kingdom of Great Britain. The word United didn't appear until 1801 when the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland "united" to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This changed to its present name in 1922 when the Irish Free State left and became the Republic of Ireland.

 

[chrisd]

If you're going to dig people up for not knowing their history you should make sure you're correct yourself.

England and Scotland joining in 1707 formed the Kingdom of Great Britain. The word United didn't appear until 1801 when the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland "united" to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This changed to its present name in 1922 when the Irish Free State left and became the Republic of Ireland.

Is this the new rules section ....... I know that can get anal!!

 

[ger147]

Is this the new rules section ....... I know that can get anal!!

It beats trying to think of a name for a Scottish pound. My personal suggestion is the Quid, still waiting for a response from Holyrood...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This particular thread nicely sums up why some English people find some Scots tiresome.

It is a debate on what Scottish independence will mean for the rest of the UK and yet it seems to have a large number of Scots resident in Scotland telling us what will happen specifically in England.

And then one of them has the gall to refer to some English folk as arrogant!



You couldn't make it up.

I think it is you who is making it up if you are referring to my post, I was quoting a comment made by my English daughter.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Hang on, does this mean that like in Northern Ireland, we are going to be able to keep a bit of Scotland, for all the "NO" voters?

If the YES Vote does win, the NO's will need about 49.9% of the country, and I imagine the vote will be that close.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So we are all agreed then the new title should be KENI.
Kingdom of England and NI.
Look forward to cheering them on in the Olympics.

 

[Conman85]

Nearly, but not quite. Here's the bit missing in your history knowledge:

Google is your friend =>

"The Principality of Wales was incorporated into the Kingdom of England in 1536. In 1707, the kingdoms of Scotland and England were united to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, which in 1801, united with the Kingdom of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. In 1922, five-sixths of Ireland seceded from the UK, leaving the present formulation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

"If you're going to dig people up for not knowing their history you should make sure you're correct yourself.

England and Scotland joining in 1707 formed the Kingdom of Great Britain. The word United didn't appear until 1801 when the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland "united" to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This changed to its present name in 1922 when the Irish Free State left and became the Republic of Ireland."

The point that seems to be going over heads is that Wales and NI are not kingdoms! The original Uniting of Kingdoms was in 1707. With Ireland gone already and should Scotland go, the only remaining kingdom would be England.

No history name lessons needed when they don't involve Kingdoms!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

John Redwood has a view...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Prime-Minister-s-pledges-tax-spending.html

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Hang on, does this mean that like in Northern Ireland, we are going to be able to keep a bit of Scotland, for all the "NO" voters?

If the YES Vote does win, the NO's will need about 49.9% of the country, and I imagine the vote will be that close.

You've already got Berwick

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

You've already kind of got Berwick

We! You live here remember

 

[Doon frae Troon]

John Redwood has a view...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Prime-Minister-s-pledges-tax-spending.html

I thought KENI politicians would be quick to recognise promises that the Three Amegos would find difficult/impossible to deliver.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We! You live here remember

damn - sometimes slip up between England and the English

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think it is you who is making it up if you are referring to my post, I was quoting a comment made by my English daughter.

Was it you or your daughter who was telling us of the consequences for the pound, our standing in the world, etc; ad nauseam.

I have previously stated that I am in favour of the Union but I have never professed to know what will be the consequences of independence for Scotland.

Might I suggest you try similar restraint for the UK, which, as I said, would not need a change of name in the event of Scottish independence.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Here's one of the main problems for England, it's utter reliance on London and Londons utter reliance on English tax payers to keep funding it.£1.3 Trillion.Now no way will The Mayor or The PM say to the City, cough up to allow us to keep feeding you.No way.So Tax payers in rUK or the UK will contribute.Insanity.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ain-its-position-as-world-leader-9637505.html

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So we are all agreed then the new title should be KENI.
Kingdom of England and NI.
Look forward to cheering them on in the Olympics.

Your comments get more and more ridiculous

We will be the UK regardless of the vote

 

[JCW]

It wont happen , come voting day most will get cold feet and vote no , too many do not know the full facts and what will happen so they will stick with what they know

 

[Deleted member 18588]

"If you're going to dig people up for not knowing their history you should make sure you're correct yourself.

England and Scotland joining in 1707 formed the Kingdom of Great Britain. The word United didn't appear until 1801 when the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland "united" to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This changed to its present name in 1922 when the Irish Free State left and became the Republic of Ireland."

The point that seems to be going over heads is that Wales and NI are not kingdoms! The original Uniting of Kingdoms was in 1707. With Ireland gone already and should Scotland go, the only remaining kingdom would be England.

No history name lessons needed when they don't involve Kingdoms!

Well if you are gone what we call the UK has damn all to do with you!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

"If you're going to dig people up for not knowing their history you should make sure you're correct yourself.

England and Scotland joining in 1707 formed the Kingdom of Great Britain. The word United didn't appear until 1801 when the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland "united" to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This changed to its present name in 1922 when the Irish Free State left and became the Republic of Ireland."

The point that seems to be going over heads is that Wales and NI are not kingdoms! The original Uniting of Kingdoms was in 1707. With Ireland gone already and should Scotland go, the only remaining kingdom would be England.

No history name lessons needed when they don't involve Kingdoms!

We can call ourselves what ever we want - if you leave it will have zero to do with you.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well if you are gone what we call the UK has damn all to do with you!

I suggest you look at the title of this thread.

Why are you and Phil so sure that the UK will still be called the UK when it's name makes no sense whatsoever?