Holes completed for handicap purpose

[jim8flog]

Has your committee set a minimum number of scores on a card that makes it is acceptable for handicap purposes?

If yes how many?

If no how many would you set?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why would you set a minimum number ?

Player enters Comp -HC on the line regardless of how many holes

If a player walks off - DQ , if a player is injured then card not submitted for HC

I don’t see a reason to dictate how many holes must be played and I would surprised if you can

 

[rulefan]

A qualifying round is either 18 or 9 holes as specified by the committee.
If a player does not complete the stipulated round he is DQd. If the reason is legitimate (eg injury, committee cancelation) the score is ignored. Otherwise DQ with resultant a 0.1 increase.
If the committee believe there has been an attempt to build a handicap then the player may be subject to various disciplinary actions by either the committee or the national union

 

[Colin L]

You can't set a minimum. And there's no point in doing so anyway.. When a player starts off in a qualifying competition he is committed to returning a card. It may have no scores on it, all 18, something in between or he may not bother returning it at all. The handicapping outcome of DQs including cards with no scores at certain holes is clearly laid out in Appendix P of the CONGU Manual. Some DQs result in a card being accepted for handicapping and some don't. There is a fairly extensive list of each. A DQ for failing to hole out means the card is acceptable for handicapping; a DQ for failing to start within 5 minutes of the start time means that it is unacceptable. There is no minimum set for the number of NR holes.

There is a minimum number of holes implicit in this, anyway, but it will be variable. That minimum is set by the number of stableford points you have gained from the holes completed. You might only have blobbed on one hole and the rest add up to buffering or better. Anything less than the points needed minimally to buffer and you get a 0.1 increase. It makes no difference whether that is from not having completed one hole or eighteen.

If you are talking about a player walking off part way round, the above applies except that you might decide not to apply the 0.1 increase in certain circumstances. Two examples from this season: a group walked off after playing 2 holes in a medal because of torrential rain; a player had to leave the course after 14 holes because word came that his wife had been taken into hospital. All in the group got a 0.1 increase; the player who had to quit because of his wife's hospitalisation did not. These are decisions you make, as I see it, on the reasons for giving up but nothing to do with how many or how few holes had been played.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I believe the confusion comes from the op not explaining in what circumstances he is looking for an answer.

In Stroke Play if a player has a nightmare on 18, picks up And puts NR on his card is he DQ’d for failing to hole out or for not completeing the stipulated round?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not that I am aware of. Though on same topic - A notice came round last week reminding us that we should be completing rounds and always submitting our card. Too many rounds not been completed following an NR on a hole and also NR'd cards not being handed in. Reminder was that - other than for illness or other significant issue - we should complete all rounds applying our 'best efforts' even with an NR recorded for any particular hole. Implication was that we could NR every hole but should still hand it in.

 

[jim8flog]

I am considering what goes in to our Code of Conduct Guideline

My question was considering the rather vague point in the CONGU manual

Note 1: Incomplete cards and ‘no returns’ have an effect on a player’s handicap. The Handicap Committee would be justified in:

1. (a) refusing to accept a card or record a ‘no return’ when the player has walked in after playing only a few holes;

Without investigating if say a player had only 5 scores on card how do you decide if they continued to play any further

than the 5 holes.

If you are talking about a player walking off part way round, the above applies except that you might decide not to apply the 0.1 increase in certain circumstances. Two examples from this season: a group walked off after playing 2 holes in a medal because of torrential rain; a player had to leave the course after 14 holes because word came that his wife had been taken into hospital. All in the group got a 0.1 increase; the player who had to quit because of his wife's hospitalisation did not. These are decisions you make, as I see it, on the reasons for giving up but nothing to do with how many or how few holes had been played.

So what basis did you use for giving out 0.1 increase given what it says in the CONGU manual

 

[Robster59]

We had an issue when one or two people where trying to keep their handicap and so tee off on the first hole and then walk in without even collecting their ball and submitting an NR card.
That isn't right. So our club put a minimum 12 holes for a card to be accepted. By that time you've walked to the farthest extremities of our course.

 

[rulefan]

We had an issue when one or two people where trying to keep their handicap and so tee off on the first hole and then walk in without even collecting their ball and submitting an NR card.
That isn't right. So our club put a minimum 12 holes for a card to be accepted. By that time you've walked to the farthest extremities of our course.

What happens to the score/handicap record returned and what RoG is applied if a player walks in after
1) 11 holes
2) 13 holes
?

 

[Colin L]

I am considering what goes in to our Code of Conduct Guideline

My question was considering the rather vague point in the CONGU manual

Note 1: Incomplete cards and ‘no returns’ have an effect on a player’s handicap. The Handicap Committee would be justified in:

1. (a) refusing to accept a card or record a ‘no return’ when the player has walked in after playing only a few holes;

Without investigating if say a player had only 5 scores on card how do you decide if they continued to play any further


So what basis did you use for giving out 0.1 increase given what it says in the CONGU manual

Firstly, the player is not permitted to suspend play for the weather (other than lightning).
Many other players completed their rounds despite the weather.
I checked back in their record and saw no sign of handicap building
The default position in the Manual is that you count for handicap a DQ for not completing a hole. The "would be justified..." statement gives you leeway not to have the 0.1 added: it's not requirement.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We had an issue when one or two people where trying to keep their handicap and so tee off on the first hole and then walk in without even collecting their ball and submitting an NR card.
That isn't right. So our club put a minimum 12 holes for a card to be accepted. By that time you've walked to the farthest extremities of our course.

What a very strange situation. It shows how some people will always try to push the rules to the edge. Interesting example.

 

[Robster59]

What happens to the score/handicap record returned and what RoG is applied if a player walks in after
1) 11 holes
2) 13 holes
?

I can't remember the exact details although I can look them up. It was all checked and clarified before it was implemented.

 

[rulefan]

Not checked with EG I would guess

 

[rosecott]

Not checked with EG I would guess

Think he's SG.

 

[rulefan]

Of course