Hodgson gone...

[HRC99]

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Each to their own but I wouldn't spend money on Reina.

Of the top of my head there's the howlers in the Europa Lge and the recent goal in the defeat v's Wolves that have cost Liverpool this season.

I don't think its so much off the top of your head but out of another part of your anatomy if you think Reina isn't top drawer!

 

[sawtooth]

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Reina is probably the best goalkeeper in the world. He's not a robot, he's human and hence is capable of the odd mistake. Would love him to come to Arsenal

Point taken about Ferguson he was much younger but young Fergusons dont grow on trees. They should have stuck with Hodgson because he would have got Liverpool back on track and provided a platform for somebody else to build on later down the line.

I still think 6 months is not long enough, cant judge Hodgson on that - after 2-3 years maybe.

 

[viscount17]

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Hodgson has massively under-performed with the squad that he has. The performances have been consistently poor even when the results have actually gone Liverpool's way.

no it's the players who have massively underperformed, too many too willing to leave it to the next bloke

 

[Dodger]

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I really cannot understand why King Kenny has taken this on.I really think they may continue to struggle but surely there is enough turgid crap below them to ensure they don't go down.

We have seen something like this before when the 2nd Messiah Shearer took the Toon down.

He's not managed for over 10 years as well... for them to do anything he'll need to be given the go ahead to get rid of pish like Lucas, Krgyiakos, Johnson, Ngog, Konchesky, Maxi etc... flocks and flocks of over paid rubbish and get in some football players. Trouble for him will be how the hell will Liverpool get rid of all the pish, who will buy them?

Really don't see what Kenny can do that Hodgson hasn't.

 

[vig]

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I really cannot understand why King Kenny has taken this on.I really think they may continue to struggle but surely there is enough turgid crap below them to ensure they don't go down.

We have seen something like this before when the 2nd Messiah Shearer took the Toon down.

He's not managed for over 10 years as well... for them to do anything he'll need to be given the go ahead to get rid of pish like Lucas, Krgyiakos, Johnson, Ngog, Konchesky, Maxi etc... flocks and flocks of over paid rubbish and get in some football players. Trouble for him will be how the hell will Liverpool get rid of all the pish, who will buy them?

Really don't see what Kenny can do that Hodgson hasn't.

Absolutely bang on!!
Too many mediocre players, don't think anyone will snap them up in a hurry.
Reina is top drawer, Torres is world class but suffering a crisis in confidence, Gerrard isn't the player he was, kuyt is a tryer, I rate moreiles, beyond these, nothing much

 

[brendy]

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I think Roy was the wrong choice but hoped he would do well. With King Kenny coming back, morale should pick up and hopefully we will start playing good old football again. I think it was the 89-90 season we won the league using only 13 players. I really do hope we can stick with a team who can learn to play as a tight unit and not be switching players out in rotation.
Kenny cant really lose, its only a temporary position and should we do well, great, if we do badly, he isnt entirely to blame and can only make do with what he was left with.

 

[Imurg]

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I mentioned this in a previous Hodgson thread -

Can someone explain what he's done to deserve the tag "good manager"?

Apart from getting Fulham to the Europa final - a great feat I'll admit.

He's been in all sorts of jobs and never won anything, got to a major final, kept Fulham in the PL and .........

I just don't see him as a good enough manager for a top English team.

 

[brendy]

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He is a nice guy nut isnt "big" enough for Liverpools expectation. to be honest, I dont think the fans could hope for a better manager than Kenny. If it doesnt work out with him I fear for the future.

 

[HRC99]

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King Kenny buys the board time to find a new long-term manager and keeps the fans happy. When you're 8,000 down on attendance and tickets for the Merseyside Derby going on general sale (for the first time I can remember), you know there are big problems with the fans.

Hodgson had to go. He knew it, the players knew it, the fans knew it and the board knew it. It's all very well saying give him longer but he was finished and looked a beaten man at the end. He wasn't the new owners man and was going to go anyway so better to pull the plug now than let it drift on.

People are a little unfair on some of the players. Ngog will be a decent player but he is still very young and plays far too many games for someone at his age and stage of development. He should be making the odd first team appearance off the bench instead of starting regularly. But the lack of strikers over the last couple of years has forced successive managers to play him.

Lucas isn't as bad as people think if you actually watch him. He's also improved markedly this season. The others are slightly better than mid-table Premier League players.

But, sadly, that reflects what we are at the moment.

 

[Dodger]

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He did a great job in club football in Scandanavia before doing a fantastic job with the Swiss national team since then he has done a 'good/decent job' at a few clubs.

I would sack Avril and have him as our National gaffer in a heart beat but it won't happen sadly.

Good solid manager who's style is more suited to Europe/international stuff IMO.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

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Fantastic news and the correct decision has been made.

The red half of the city is proper buzzing now and you will see the difference over the next few weeks. Kenny will have the full support of every fan and ex player and will also get the full respect from all the players.

I'm sick and tired of hearing rafa this and rafa that, rafa's legacy blah blah blah, that squad of players is good enough for a top 6 finnish imo. I've not seen us play or defend as bad as i have this season since the souness days and that includes under rafa.

As for Reina he's probably the best GK in europe and isn't it coincidental that since hodgson was appointed he started making errors and defensively we were leaking goals left right and centre.

Hodgson might be a nice fella and all the rest of it but his tactics and style of football are shite. Hoofing the ball upto torres and then make him run around like zamora. He looks lost on the touchline scratching his chin and rubbing his face instead of coaching his team into a performance and getting results.

I just hope Konchesky and Poulsen aren't too long behind him out the door neither. £10m signings by LMA manager of the year 09/10.Great

We're on the march with Kenny's army.......

 

[AuburnWarrior]

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Liverpool are becoming the new Newcastle! The fans only respect the Manager if he played for them.

Dalgleish will only take Liverpool backwards. Comolli buying and selling - poor appointment that. Dalgleish - not managed for too long.

Perhaps Gerrard should become the Manager in the summer. The fans love him - that's qualification enough. Mind you, he'd need an assistant - how about Fowler?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

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I don't mind players taking stick but for people to class Ngog as rubbish how do they base their opinions?

Ngog is a young lad who cost less than £1m and is still learning the game as a forward. I won't criticise him too much because he has deffo got an eye for goal and with the right coaching and support he'll come good.

Lucas is expected to be like kaka cos he's brazillian but he's a complete different player. Lucas is and will always be liverpool's scapegoat.

Funny though when hodgson dropped Lucas against blackpool for his signing Poulsen and then after the game realised that Lucas is a far better player than poulsen.Lucas hasn't missed a game since.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

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I don't mind players taking stick but for people to class Ngog as rubbish how do they base their opinions?

Ngog is a young lad who cost less than £1m and is still learning the game as a forward. I won't criticise him too much because he has deffo got an eye for goal and with the right coaching and support he'll come good.

Lucas is expected to be like kaka cos he's brazillian but he's a complete different player. Lucas is and will always be liverpool's scapegoat.

Funny though when hodgson dropped Lucas against blackpool for his signing Poulsen and then after the game realised that Lucas is a far better player than poulsen.Lucas hasn't missed a game since.

Have you actually seen Ngog play?? If you have then you'll know that the above is wibble!!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

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Liverpool are becoming the new Newcastle! The fans only respect the Manager if he played for them.

Dalgleish will only take Liverpool backwards. Comolli buying and selling - poor appointment that. Dalgleish - not managed for too long.

Perhaps Gerrard should become the Manager in the summer. The fans love him - that's qualification enough. Mind you, he'd need an assistant - how about Fowler?

Don't talk shite Warrior. Shankly Houllier and Rafa never played for us but they still got the respect they deserved because they earnt it, by winning trophies and fighting for our identity within football and the media.

As for Commoli i agree he shouldn't be there but i tell you now, Commoli and Hodgson were signed by Christian Purslow the leverage buy out money man with no football knowledge or experience of being in football.The same fella who was put in charge to recoup RBS investment and secure £100m investment by easter last year and failed. Only then was Martin Broughton appointed to sell the club.

This is what happens when money men make footballing decisions.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

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I don't mind players taking stick but for people to class Ngog as rubbish how do they base their opinions?

Ngog is a young lad who cost less than £1m and is still learning the game as a forward. I won't criticise him too much because he has deffo got an eye for goal and with the right coaching and support he'll come good.

Lucas is expected to be like kaka cos he's brazillian but he's a complete different player. Lucas is and will always be liverpool's scapegoat.

Funny though when hodgson dropped Lucas against blackpool for his signing Poulsen and then after the game realised that Lucas is a far better player than poulsen.Lucas hasn't missed a game since.

Have you actually seen Ngog play?? If you have then you'll know that the above is wibble!!

Yeah i have and i've been everywhere watching liverpool for the last 15yrs and seen some shite like jimmy carter,erik meijer, emile heskey, sean dundee, david speedie the list goes on. But considering he's only 20 and been here 18months learning the english game i will not include him as shite with the likes of konchesky.

 

[stevek1969]

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Sorry Stuart but thats the worst Liverpool side i've ever seen,its shocking,Reina,Gerrard,Torres,Kuyt all good players Ngog a young guy a bit raw but he'll learn ,Spearing looks a decent prospect but the rest no way.

I don't see the Rafa Legend thing either ,ok he won the CL but his signings were shocking Aquallini £20million now loaned out,Dossena,Josemi the list could could go he bought these donkeys for mega money and flogged them for peanuts.

Sorry but King Kenny is the wrong man ,IMO Owen Coyle deserves a chance at a big club his philosophy is a passing game ,christ i've even saw Bolton play some decent football,he seems to get everyone onhis wavelength and working for each other thats not happened at Liverpool much this season.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

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Obviously I've a lot of respect for Hodgson and what he did with my team Fulham from keeping us when in miraculous fashion, getting us into Europe, humbling Juve and Hamburg, two big names of European football and getting to a European final we could have potentially won.

If you google his record you will see that not only has he done well at a lot of clubs but he recognised as one of the best coaches in Europe and indeed has served on UEFA and FIFA coaching panels. Surely someone with that pedigree would have been ideal for Liverpool.

I think he inherited a decent first XI when fit (and not many have been) but when you go down through the bench and beyond it lacks real class and depth. Not his thought as they are the players bought in under previous reigns. Not sure the signings he made were great but that aside you can only do your best to get the players playing the way you want them. However what I also think he inherited was a lot of unrest from the dressing room all the way to the top. If a club is split thwn clearly there will be issues (transfer funds, appointing staff etc)

Fulham were totally behind him and had a very rigid and disciplined shape and everyone knew their role. Here he hasn't found a settled team partly through injuries to key players and frankly through too many playes under-performing.

I'm pretty certain he'll get another PL job soon. I don't think he'll go back to Fulham mores the pity but he will do a good job for someone

 

[AuburnWarrior]

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Liverpool are becoming the new Newcastle! The fans only respect the Manager if he played for them.

Dalgleish will only take Liverpool backwards. Comolli buying and selling - poor appointment that. Dalgleish - not managed for too long.

Perhaps Gerrard should become the Manager in the summer. The fans love him - that's qualification enough. Mind you, he'd need an assistant - how about Fowler?

Don't talk shite Warrior. Shankly Houllier and Rafa never played for us but they still got the respect they deserved because they earnt it, by winning trophies and fighting for our identity within football and the media.

As for Commoli i agree he shouldn't be there but i tell you now, Commoli and Hodgson were signed by Christian Purslow the leverage buy out money man with no football knowledge or experience of being in football.The same fella who was put in charge to recoup RBS investment and secure £100m investment by easter last year and failed. Only then was Martin Broughton appointed to sell the club.

This is what happens when money men make footballing decisions.

Shankly?? That's made me laugh. How long ago was that??

Once again, highlights the problem with Liverpool - living in the past. You're only as good as the 11 that are on the pitch TODAY!! Not what happened 30 years ago. Palace had a decent side 20 years ago - we'd have been in Europe if it hadn't been for the European ban but I won't go there. The 11 players that are on the pitch now are rubbish - very much the same as Liverpool.

Too much reliance on Gerrard - end of. When he doesn't perform, there are no other players to step up.

Torres only turns it on against Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal. Any other game and he looks like he'd rather be shopping!

Reina is class, no question, but his defense is woeful and any top class keeper is only as good as his defense. Ask Cech.

Why has Dalgleish been appointed?? Is it a short term thing or is he charged with bringing the glory days back to Anfield?? The fans wanted him in the summer didn't they?? Mourinho was available. I know which manager I'd want.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

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Sorry Stuart but thats the worst Liverpool side i've ever seen,its shocking,Reina,Gerrard,Torres,Kuyt all good players Ngog a young guy a bit raw but he'll learn ,Spearing looks a decent prospect but the rest no way.

I don't see the Rafa Legend thing either ,ok he won the CL but his signings were shocking Aquallini £20million now loaned out,Dossena,Josemi the list could could go he bought these donkeys for mega money and flogged them for peanuts.

Sorry but King Kenny is the wrong man ,IMO Owen Coyle deserves a chance at a big club his philosophy is a passing game ,christ i've even saw Bolton play some decent football,he seems to get everyone onhis wavelength and working for each other thats not happened at Liverpool much this season.

Steve i'm not saying rafa was perfect in the transfer market but every manager makes bad signings even fergie has made some expensive mistakes.

Dossena £7m Italy's 1st choice left back on paper was a good signing but unfortunately never worked out.

Aquillani should be in the team now, for the last 3yrs aquillani has missed pre season through various injuries and for me pre season is the most important part of the year for any footballer. He had a full pre season with us this year then Hodgson decided he wasn't in his plans and hodgson loaned him out. Towards the end of last season he looked a very good player but was knackered after 60mins cos of his fitness.

Josemi cost £2m and was sold for £2.7m.

Glenn johnson is a decent wing back but can't defend, hopefully Kenny will play him right mid like redknapp has moved bale forward and he's produced the goods.

Agger and skrtel are much better players than what they've shown in recent months but i personally believe that was down to Hodgsons hoof it tactics.

Hodgson has let insua go on loan and actually pay £4m for konchesky who is worse than insua, replaced mascherano with Poulsen a 30yr old who is short of pace and paid £14m for Meireles a centre midfielder and plays him right wing

Seriously we have a very good starting 11 but we lack a top quality bench.

Dalglish is only there til may and i think it's the right decision so the board can go out and get their own man in for the summer and whoever that may be will be able to start with a clean slate instead of halfway through a turbulent season.