Hit ping 4 iron 170 and taylor made 6 iron 170 WTF !

[ScienceBoy]

I don't think my 4 iron goes much past 170 but then again it's 10 years old now and it's a forged Mizuno. I give away a good chunk of distance straight away.

What you lose in distance you gain in dispersion. You don't get those rockets that go 10 yards further than expected every now and again.

 

[patricks148]

I don't think my 4 iron goes much past 170 but then again it's 10 years old now and it's a forged Mizuno. I give away a good chunk of distance straight away.

What you lose in distance you gain in dispersion. You don't get those rockets that go 10 yards further than expected every now and again.

box lox as usual, i've still got a set of MP57 and my 6 iron goes that far... which has about as much relevance as your 4 iron distance to this thread

 

[ScienceBoy]

box lox as usual, i've still got a set of MP57 and my 6 iron goes that far... which has about as much relevance as your 4 iron distance to this thread

Your swing tho, not mine.

I'm not a big hitter.

I do find it funny that I be realistic and get called out for it. Should have said I hit it 240 if I was expecting an arguement!

 

[patricks148]

Your swing tho, not mine.

I'm not a big hitter.

I do find it funny that I be realistic and get called out for it. Should have said I hit it 240 if I was expecting an arguement!

you post about how far your 10 year old irons go has little relevance to how far a modern GI TBH.

By the way the hickory MacGregor 4 iron i have only goes 150:rofl::rofl:

 

[duncan mackie]

Your swing tho, not mine.

I'm not a big hitter.

I do find it funny that I be realistic and get called out for it. Should have said I hit it 240 if I was expecting an arguement!

I agree with Patrick - this isn't about you or your swing/ realistic or not.

It's extremely easy to stick any club into a machine and get out a carry distance for any given clubhead speed.

After that you can have a discussion on what constitutes a good or poor speed, but my earlier point was that the figures quoted aren't at the boundary of either club spec, and there is therefore scope for a large number of reasons for them.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Ignore the number on the bottom and all the talk about 'jacked lofts', if companies put out irons in what people called traditional lofts these days, the ball would travel further up than it would travel forward

The new technology that allows players to launch the ball easier means that to maintain distances the lofts have to be made stronger, and you will also probably find that the newer clubs will spin less due to this technology. In some cases you might think this would be a problem, but more often than not, the ball will be descending at a much steeper angle and therefore doesn't need as much spin to get it to stop

Even with the new technology and lower spinning irons, I find that full shots with almost any of my irons has very little roll-out when hitting into a green from a fairway

At the end of the day, as long as you know how far you hit each iron in your bag it doesn't matter what number is on the bottom, play your own game

Good summary - couldn't agree more.

The main problem with this is it gives you a problem with your short irons. A modern pitching wedge is 43/46* rather than 47/50*. Most people buy a sand wedge with 52* or 54* loft which leaves a big distance gap. Hence what you gain by not needing a 2 or 3 iron you loose by needing a gap wedge.

No wonder they all advertise their "longest irons yet".

 

[ScienceBoy]

you post about how far your 10 year old irons go has little relevance to how far a modern GI TBH.

Surely the is a difference between 10 year old forged players irons and todays GI cast clubs?

A modern MP-57 equivalent won't be massively different to our clubs, maybe in dispersion but not distance, not much anyway.

The big diff between forged and cast is the distance control, forged have less variation.

 

[Dando]

I don't think my 4 iron goes much past 170 but then again it's 10 years old now and it's a forged Mizuno. I give away a good chunk of distance straight away.

What you lose in distance you gain in dispersion. You don't get those rockets that go 10 yards further than expected every now and again.

i use mizuno tp original blades from the 80's and my 4 iron goes about 220-230. In fact I hit further then many others hit their new super duper longest ever 4 iron.
ive thought about getting new irons so I can hit a 6 iron 220 but I'm happy with my mizzy blades and I'm looking for some more of the older models

 

[chrisd]

I have TM RSI 1'S and the 6 iron I'd be taking for 160/165 yards. So long as there's proper gapping through the bag the number on the bottom of the club is just a number.

 

[chrisd]

i use mizuno tp original blades from the 80's and my 4 iron goes about 220-230. In fact I hit further then many others hit their new super duper longest ever 4 iron.
ive thought about getting new irons so I can hit a 6 iron 220 but I'm happy with my mizzy blades and I'm looking for some more of the older models

But you're a flippin animal !!

 

[TheDoctor]

The big diff between forged and cast is the distance control, forged have less variation.

:rofl: I have heard some good ones.....

 

[fizeto512]

:rofl: I have heard some good ones.....

Of course you do =))

 

[ScienceBoy]

:rofl: I have heard some good ones.....

Would you like some sauce with that?

https://youtu.be/xTrMzL5bIYQ

4 mins in MC say it.

Not the first time I heard it but it's a video of mp-57 vs GI irons

 

[Foxholer]

...
The big diff between forged and cast is the distance control, forged have less variation.

Rubbish! At least that's not the fundamental difference!

The big diff between forged and cast is that they are (almost always) designed and made differently - from different types of steel! Forged irons will almost certainly use a 'softer' type - because it will (normally) be a single piece of steel that is heated and 'bashed' to form the shape - whereas a cast head is formed 'directly' by pouring molten metal into a mould, so can be whatever type is desired! A cast head can (and frequently is) even be made in several pieces which are assembled to become the final 'head'

The softness translates into a slightly softer 'feel' which means that mis-hits are more apparent than that of cast ones. That's why distance control SEEMS better/have less variation with forged clubs. The reason for the difference in distance of a mis-hit is probably more obvious with a forged club than a cast one - that (often by design) disguises the mis-hit!

Oh and for 'ultimate feel' blades are the appropriate tool! Cast blades are extremely rare!

If you really want to compare fairly similar forged and cast heads, Mizuno MX15 ,17 and 19 were cast and 23 and 25 forged. That's probably the 'most similar' series I know offhand - so comparing the (most common) 17 against the 23 would demonstrate how little difference there is in similarly designed heads! All fine heads btw!

And, if you need further convincing, (most - there's actually a forged version for the Japan market!) Vokey wedges are cast - but use the same 'soft' steel that many/most forged wedges use - so have a very similar feel!

 

[Chokeahontas]

If you really want to compare I would suggest hitting the Mizuno 900 forged and then the Ping i200 (cast). If you can tell a 'feel' difference I would be astonished. That's not to denigrate from either camp, it's just that the casting process on modern clubs (I think) has narrowed that feel gap when playing a similar level club (i.e. both the i200s and Forged 900s are targeted at similar levels of ability).

 

[Foxholer]

If you really want to compare I would suggest hitting the Mizuno 900 forged and then the Ping i200 (cast). If you can tell a 'feel' difference I would be astonished. That's not to denigrate from either camp, it's just that the casting process on modern clubs (I think) has narrowed that feel gap when playing a similar level club (i.e. both the i200s and Forged 900s are targeted at similar levels of ability).

I200s have a dampener within the (cast) head. They use comparatively soft Stainless Steel (431)

MX900s actually 2 different techniques (and metals!). Long irons are 'hollow forged' from 4135 and short ones solid forged from 1035 steel. Both are actually relatively hard - at least compared to 1025 steel. Whether the difference is noticeable is highly debateable! Feel is a very vague, personal concept. The softness/hardness of the head is only 1 of a number of attributes that contributes to 'feel'!

 

[Chokeahontas]

I200s have a dampener within the (cast) head. They use comparatively soft Stainless Steel (431)

MX900s actually 2 different techniques (and metals!). Long irons are 'hollow forged' from 4135 and short ones solid forged from 1035 steel. Both are actually relatively hard - at least compared to 1025 steel.

BTW. Feel is a very vague, personal concept. The softness/hardness of the head is only 1 of a number of attributes that contributes to 'feel'!

Yup. Which is my point?

I concede feel is personal, I would say they both 'felt' identical to me. And I went to my fitting almost resolute on the Mizunos (I bought the Pings)

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I am truly amazed that some think hitting a compound plastic ball with a metal headed club on the end of a metal shaft whilst holding a rubber grip and they can tell whether the club is forged or cast...
Its all in the sound, nothing more. I bet if you were to take a test hitting various clubs wearing ear defenders and wearing a blindfold you would not be able to tell. The power of advertising.

 

[hovis]

I am truly amazed that some think hitting a compound plastic ball with a metal headed club on the end of a metal shaft whilst holding a rubber grip and they can tell whether the club is forged or cast...
Its all in the sound, nothing more. I bet if you were to take a test hitting various clubs wearing ear defenders and wearing a blindfold you would not be able to tell. The power of advertising.

what this guy said

 

[Foxholer]

I am truly amazed that some think hitting a compound plastic ball with a metal headed club on the end of a metal shaft whilst holding a rubber grip and they can tell whether the club is forged or cast...
Its all in the sound, nothing more. I bet if you were to take a test hitting various clubs wearing ear defenders and wearing a blindfold you would not be able to tell. The power of advertising.

Did anyone actually state they could do that?

And note how I placed quotes round the word 'feel'! Sound does indeed contribute significantly to 'feel', but it's not the sole factor - imo of course!