High Launch angle

[VVega]

As mentioned on a recent thread, I have high launch with all my clubs. I accept that I’m probably flipping my wrists and had tried to work on creating more lag etc in the past.

However, here is my launch monitor numbers of a good shot with a 7i (31*):

CLUB SPEED	83.8
SMASH	1.30
ATTACK ANGLE (DOWN)	-3.1
SWING PATH (IN TO OUT)	0.4

BALL SPEED (MPH)	109
LAUNCH ANGLE (DEG)	24.0
PUSH PULL (DEG)	0.4R
SPIN AXIS (DEG)	0.5R
TOTAL SPIN (RPM)	6800
CARRY (YDS)	147.0

If I’m correct, the attack angle is spot on (doesn’t need to be steeper) and the club path is very neutral. The spin axis /push pull are also neutral so the club face must be square to target (it launched and stayed straight).

So why does it launch then 24* instead of optimal 16.5* or at least under 20*?

Any ideas?

 

[adasko]

It's not a bad numbers to be fair.
it's hard to say without seeing your swing. For me was the feel of hands forward and exiting left helped lower the launch angle but have look on that video

 

[Bratty]

If it's Trackman, what's your low point distance?
What iron make and is it upright/neutral/flat?
The spin is pretty high for a 7 iron with 31° of loft too.

 

[Maninblack4612]

Doesn't "ATTACK ANGLE (DOWN - 3.1)" mean you're hitting it on the upswing?

 

[Bratty]

Doesn't "ATTACK ANGLE (DOWN - 3.1)" mean you're hitting it on the upswing?

My understanding of it is the low point distance is what better indicates upwards, even if angle of attack is negative.

 

[VVega]

If it's Trackman, what's your low point distance?
What iron make and is it upright/neutral/flat?
The spin is pretty high for a 7 iron with 31° of loft too.

It’s GC2 (in the single dot mode so no further data).

The club is 7i Srixon Z565, 1 deg upright => 63*, + 1/2” length => 37.5”, Modus 130 shaft in stiff flex.

 

[VVega]

Doesn't "ATTACK ANGLE (DOWN - 3.1)" mean you're hitting it on the upswing?

No, it’s definitely down

GC2 shows it as Attack Angle: - 3.1, then on the next line Down in brackets

 

[Bratty]

It’s GC2 (in the single dot mode so no further data).

The club is 7i Srixon Z565, 1 deg upright => 63*, + 1/2” length => 37.5”, Modus 130 shaft in stiff flex.

If you can get on a Trackman somewhere, the low point distance will be really helpful for you.

 

[pokerjoke]

As mentioned on a recent thread, I have high launch with all my clubs. I accept that I’m probably flipping my wrists and had tried to work on creating more lag etc in the past.

However, here is my launch monitor numbers of a good shot with a 7i (31*):

CLUB SPEED	83.8
SMASH	1.30
ATTACK ANGLE (DOWN)	-3.1
SWING PATH (IN TO OUT)	0.4

BALL SPEED (MPH)	109
LAUNCH ANGLE (DEG)	24.0
PUSH PULL (DEG)	0.4R
SPIN AXIS (DEG)	0.5R
TOTAL SPIN (RPM)	6800
CARRY (YDS)	147.0

If I’m correct, the attack angle is spot on (doesn’t need to be steeper) and the club path is very neutral. The spin axis /push pull are also neutral so the club face must be square to target (it launched and stayed straight).

So why does it launch then 24* instead of optimal 16.5* or at least under 20*?

Any ideas?

I’m certainly no expert
However many moons ago I had a lesson with Mark Crossfield,I was delivering 16 degrees of loft which apparently is low for a 7 iron.
By the end of the session I was delivering 19 although for me that was something I found difficult.
Apparently it’s down to dynamic loft,I suspect that was down to how I delivered the face to the ball.
24 degrees and 6800 spin would definitely be an advantage on firm greens.

 

[VVega]

I’m certainly no expert
However many moons ago I had a lesson with Mark Crossfield,I was delivering 16 degrees of loft which apparently is low for a 7 iron.
By the end of the session I was delivering 19 although for me that was something I found difficult.
Apparently it’s down to dynamic loft,I suspect that was down to how I delivered the face to the ball.
24 degrees and 6800 spin would definitely be an advantage on firm greens.

Interesting that he thought 16 was low - the tour avg for 7i is 16.1 so you were spot on . What was your club/ball speed?

My understanding is that as a rule of thumb the launch angle is a half of the club loft and the spin is the club number x1,000.

 

[pokerjoke]

Interesting that he thought 16 was low - the tour avg for 7i is 16.1 so you were spot on . What was your club/ball speed?

My understanding is that as a rule of thumb the launch angle is a half of the club loft and the spin is the club number x1,000.

I honestly couldn’t tell you it was years ago
Club x 1000 is I would say very good.
Having a 24 degree launch angle with that amount of spin would definitely stop the ball quickly which when the greens are hard is basically what Mark was talking about.
I’ve certainly improved my iron striking over the years and really do try and add loft when I need height.

 

[christoby13]

I have a similar problem,when I hit a low to medium club say Pw to 6 iron the ball goes to the moon in height,slight exaggeration but it really goes high but if I top the ball it nearly goes far as a good shot,I know that high shots are what your meant to do but I feel I'm losing length,its bugging me but there seems there's nothing I can do,its a good shot,the feeling is right but I want more length,any ideas?

 

[bobmac]

1.3 smash factor isn't helping.
Don't get me wrong, it's not bad but could be better.

 

[VVega]

1.3 smash factor isn't helping.
Don't get me wrong, it's not bad but could be better.

Absolutely, the strike should be better

 

[VVega]

I have a similar problem,when I hit a low to medium club say Pw to 6 iron the ball goes to the moon in height,slight exaggeration but it really goes high but if I top the ball it nearly goes far as a good shot,I know that high shots are what your meant to do but I feel I'm losing length,its bugging me but there seems there's nothing I can do,its a good shot,the feeling is right but I want more length,any ideas?

FWIW, have been working on it, managed to get the average to just under 20*, which is fine for my club head speed.

Had a couple of lessons on it and lots of practice. One feel that seems to help is to move the body to my lead food before starting the downswing.

Also just to note. Different balls do vary the launch angle even with the same strike.

 

[christoby13]

Different balls?,ok I'll try that,thanks for the imput

 

[Hxck]

There's a ton of things at play with launch when it comes to equipment such as ball, club, shaft etc.

16.5 is pretty much optimal for a PGA tour player. 18-22 would be fine at your speed so you're not as far out as you think.