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This conversation always makes me smile with English football fans pointing out how rubbish Scottish football is and Scottish fans agreeing, then English fans emphasising their point. We know :)

Celtic would be OK in the Premier League I think, there is some real dross in there despite the money available. Bottom half/struggling but would be able to compete I think.

Beyond that Aberdeen (my team) would do well to stay up in the Championship and, in fairness, we've been comfortably the second "best" (least worst perhaps) for the last couple of years.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Only what little we get fed down here. Look at the dross in the lower quarter of the PL and Celtic would be good enough to beat those sides week in week out. It's whether they could compete for trophies that would be the issue. As it stands, they are head and shoulders above anything else in the SPL and the longer that carries on the worse they'll be on a European stage without regular competition to test them
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Just have a look at their squad.
 
Celtic would have no problem staying in the Prem, but mid table. Would they really want to do that and miss out on the CL money they get now. Aberdeen; having watched Middlesbrough in recent seasons and been to Aberdeen this season they would struggle in the championship let alone the Prem. Rangers...lololol... a few signings away from being there, and they'll attract the money to achieve that but if they were in the Prem now they'd be relegated.

When you think of the stars of the past, and the great Home International games... hopefully those days will return but I doubt it.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but not in a million years for me - there is prob one Prem Standard player - Dembele and even he arrived from a champ club. Looking at the squad it just says Championship players with one or two like Tierny having potential.

They would no doubt attract better players down in the English so would get to the Prem at some stage
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Nonsense and lots of it. Rogic, Sviatchenko, Simovic, Lustig, Boyata, Sinclair, Dembele could all get gigs in the Premiership easily. All bat Sinclair are international quality players.

The one thing you need to remember about Celtic is the support, it attracts players. Celtic in the Premiership with the riches it brings could easily compete at the top end of the table. Their annual turnover without CL football is around £40m and about £2m of that comes from TV. Take TV money down to the same level in England and there will likely only be 2 or 3 teams who could generate that commercial value.
 
The lack of money in the Scottish game has really been highlighted this week when the manager of the 3rd or 4th biggest club in Scotland looks like he's heading to a team with an average crowd of 9000 and on the 3rd tier of the English league. He'll probably treble his earnings.
 
It's a non-argument in my opinion, comparing like for like currently is a waste of time, if the Scottish teams had had access over recent years to the money the PL teams had then of course they would be competitive, you could replace Scottish teams with Dutch/Belgian and even French teams to a degree, they all have top teams that could compete in the PL but 3/4's of their leagues would struggle in the championship.
 
pauldj42 said:
It's a non-argument in my opinion, comparing like for like currently is a waste of time, if the Scottish teams had had access over recent years to the money the PL teams had then of course they would be competitive, you could replace Scottish teams with Dutch/Belgian and even French teams to a degree, they all have top teams that could compete in the PL but 3/4's of their leagues would struggle in the championship.
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Spot on
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Supply and demand

Some of the best players in the world play in the Prem and people all over the world want to watch those players - the whole world doesn't want to watch Scottish Prem


It's nonsense to use one of games years ago as some marker to suggest the standard is closer when it's not - it clearly isn't.
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You really are a child of the Sky/EPL generation Phil.

That very much wasn't the case pre PL cash in English football and has never, and probably will never, be the case with the Scottish PL!!

Overall the standard of the Scottish PL even back then was worse than the old First Division, but the top teams were closer than they are now. Purely due to the cash and ability to attract better players by the top teams in the PL.
 
pauldj42 said:
It's a non-argument in my opinion, comparing like for like currently is a waste of time, if the Scottish teams had had access over recent years to the money the PL teams had then of course they would be competitive, you could replace Scottish teams with Dutch/Belgian and even French teams to a degree, they all have top teams that could compete in the PL but 3/4's of their leagues would struggle in the championship.
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:thup:

/end_thread
 
Val said:
Nonsense and lots of it. Rogic, Sviatchenko, Simovic, Lustig, Boyata, Sinclair, Dembele could all get gigs in the Premiership easily. All bat Sinclair are international quality players.

The one thing you need to remember about Celtic is the support, it attracts players. Celtic in the Premiership with the riches it brings could easily compete at the top end of the table. Their annual turnover without CL football is around £40m and about £2m of that comes from TV. Take TV money down to the same level in England and there will likely only be 2 or 3 teams who could generate that commercial value.
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There are plenty of teams in the Championship with the same level of international player - the championship teams are full of international players but that doesn't make them all good enough to play in the Prem.

Yes because of the money they could generate they would attract the better players over time which would move them from Championship to mid table Prem but even then it wouldn't be the top players . But for me right now that squad looks to me to be a Championship squad
 
pauldj42 said:
It's a non-argument in my opinion, comparing like for like currently is a waste of time, if the Scottish teams had had access over recent years to the money the PL teams had then of course they would be competitive, you could replace Scottish teams with Dutch/Belgian and even French teams to a degree, they all have top teams that could compete in the PL but 3/4's of their leagues would struggle in the championship.
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Boom!
 
Val said:
Really? 2 loses to Barca which are expected, 1 loss and 1 draw with the Germans and currently undefeated against City.
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So that's it then, they are now the equal of Man City. Behave yourself!!

As for some of the players you have listed I would point out that neither Sinclair nor Boyata attracted interest from EPL clubs at the time of joining Celtic. I would, however, agree that if they had the same income as their English counterparts they would become competitive, just not with their current squad.

In any event the original post is more broadly based and referred to the overall strength in the SPL and my surprise at how poor (on last night's performance) the 2nd and 3rd placed teams appeared to be.
 
Val said:
Nonsense and lots of it. Rogic, Sviatchenko, Simovic, Lustig, Boyata, Sinclair, Dembele could all get gigs in the Premiership easily. All bat Sinclair are international quality players.

The one thing you need to remember about Celtic is the support, it attracts players. Celtic in the Premiership with the riches it brings could easily compete at the top end of the table. Their annual turnover without CL football is around £40m and about £2m of that comes from TV. Take TV money down to the same level in England and there will likely only be 2 or 3 teams who could generate that commercial value.
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Depending what rumours you listen to, Dembele could well be on the way to the PL in January. He'll be a massive player for whoever he signs for (and he'll go in the summer if not January). I haven't seen enough of the others regularly
 
Some of the greatest players ever to have graced English football have been Scottish and it's very sad that that talent seems to have dwindled.
 
NWJocko said:
You really are a child of the Sky/EPL generation Phil.
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I'm very much not a child of the Sky/EPL generation
That very much wasn't the case pre PL cash in English football and has never, and probably will never, be the case with the Scottish PL!!
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I know it wasn't the case before the Prem league ? But that wasn't the debate though - the Prem does have some of the best players in the world and countries all over the world do spend billions to watch the Prem

Overall the standard of the Scottish PL even back then was worse than the old First Division, but the top teams were closer than they are now. Purely due to the cash and ability to attract better players by the top teams in the PL.
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I remember when I was living in Peterhead in the 80's and watching Aberdeen a few times during the Ferguson era and at that time there was a good number of times that were strong - Aberdeen won in Europe , Dundee United in finals and Semi Finals and Celtic and Rangers were also winning titles - far better than right now and yes money is a big reason and no one would disagree with that
 
pauldj42 said:
Some of the greatest players ever to have graced English football have been Scottish and it's very sad that that talent seems to have dwindled.
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That was very much the point I was making at the outset.

Mind you whilst Scotland may no longer have the likes of Baxter, Law, Bremner etc; England does not have players to match the likes of Moore, Charlton or Greaves.
 
MetalMickie said:
That was very much the point I was making at the outset.

Mind you whilst Scotland may no longer have the likes of Baxter, Law, Bremner etc; England does not have players to match the likes of Moore, Charlton or Greaves.
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That depends on your age, Wayne Rooney has out performed Charlton and Greaves in terms of goals and no I don't think he is as good as Charlton.
I only saw them 3 at the end of their career and would argue there have been players that have made a big impact on the English game in recent years.
 
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