Handicap?

[Slab]

We've a teaching pro who plays in a fair few comps, plays off 6 i think (no I don't mean +6) I'm sure he gets the odd bit of stick now and again but he's getting on a bit & not a scratch golfer anymore and definitely not excluded from winning, I've no issue with him playing (under same rules as everyone else, a fair number of shots)

 

[patricks148]

if its a comp, prob shouldn't be playing.

a pro am and friendly team comps are a diff kettle of fish. Though we did have an instance in a winter Christmas comp, our sec who is a pro played and won quite comfortably... there was uproar from quite few members and he was DQ

 

[duncan mackie]

Society events says it all, so it wasn't a club or official counting competition then.

Not sure what distinction you are trying to make?

Whether an event is organised by a society or club makes no difference (a proprietary club manager organising an open event on his course is effectively a society) unless it's a Q event under CONGU, in which case their rules come into play.

In the instance under discussion it is not a Q event and it's entirely up to the organisers to define eligibility and handicapping. As ever, their decisions and implementation will influence how others feel about the event and their likely participation in subsequent years.

Personally I agree with three's overall perspective as presented, but as a general rule of organising events you are generally wise to over compensate in situations such as this ie when asking if a professional can be included in a team they should be advised it would be a handicap of +4 rather than simply scr. After all they haven't included him just to win it have they...on this basis no-one is going to feel as if they have been done out of any prizes if they win.

On the 3/4 discussions rumbling on....handicap allowances are designed to compress the field in handicap terms, and bring things back to level. As such it becomes clear why a plus handicap will reduce rather than increase.

 

[HankMarvin]

We've a teaching pro who plays in a fair few comps, plays off 6 i think (no I don't mean +6) I'm sure he gets the odd bit of stick now and again but he's getting on a bit & not a scratch golfer anymore and definitely not excluded from winning, I've no issue with him playing (under same rules as everyone else, a fair number of shots)

Would question if he still has his Pro status as he should not be allowed to play at club/amateur level. Maybe once a Pro but not now especially if you say he is off about 6

 

[Slab]

Would question if he still has his Pro status as he should not be allowed to play at club/amateur level. Maybe once a Pro but not now especially if you say he is off about 6

Well he still teaches as his full time job and I wouldn't dream of thinking he does it without accreditation, he's just a guy the wrong side of 50 who loves his golf
As for not being allowed, I don't really care if he plays or not, he picks up far fewer prizes than the 4 handicap amateur golfer who turned up, cleaned up in many opens and was off playing off scratch less than 12 months later

 

[HankMarvin]

Not sure what distinction you are trying to make?

Whether an event is organised by a society or club makes no difference (a proprietary club manager organising an open event on his course is effectively a society) unless it's a Q event under CONGU, in which case their rules come into play.

In the instance under discussion it is not a Q event and it's entirely up to the organisers to define eligibility and handicapping. As ever, their decisions and implementation will influence how others feel about the event and their likely participation in subsequent years.

Personally I agree with three's overall perspective as presented, but as a general rule of organising events you are generally wise to over compensate in situations such as this ie when asking if a professional can be included in a team they should be advised it would be a handicap of +4 rather than simply scr. After all they haven't included him just to win it have they...on this basis no-one is going to feel as if they have been done out of any prizes if they win.

On the 3/4 discussions rumbling on....handicap allowances are designed to compress the field in handicap terms, and bring things back to level. As such it becomes clear why a plus handicap will reduce rather than increase.

My point is that society events are what they are (free for all) and my main point is that Pro's are not allowed to play official club competitions (congu) events

 

[chrisd]

I only asked whether a PGA pro who plays PGA events and, most recently, Open final qualifying should play off scratch where everyone else is an amateur and losing 25% of their handicap.

I know he predominantly teaches but does play for money in PGA comps and is a decent player as seen by his 7 under par yesterday - I'd have thought the organisers would have asked him to play off + 3 or 4. I have no issues with him playing at all it just seems that the handicapping, in the light of the sort of competition it was, is wrong.

 

[duncan mackie]

My point is that society events are what they are (free for all) and my main point is that Pro's are not allowed to play official club competitions (congu) events

But the event that gave rise to this thread wasn't a CONGU event

 

[chrisd]

But the event that gave rise to this thread wasn't a CONGU event

It wasn't exactly a fun day comp but certainly not a really serious comp!

(I'm playing your place next week Duncan - I hope it's good!)

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

In a comp today - 2 scores to count of 4, everyone off three quarter handicap, if a pro played, what would you expect him to be handicapped to?

Played in a comp recently with the same 2 from 4 format but it was full handicap. A pro played in the winning group there and he played off +4.