Handicap Question

[Sneds]

Me and a friend played today and I just had an a quick question regarding how we played.

We both play off 18 for our games against each other. And we played a Par 72 course - SSS 72

I shot a gross 88 with two blobs and had 40 points.
My friend shot 90 with no blobs and had 36 points.

I was wondering if I shot the equivalent to a 16 handicapper, by the gross 88.

Or, as I heard people say that stableford was how they determined handicaps, would I have shot the equivalent to a 14 handicapper, with 40 points, which is 4 points over the standard 36?

Also, how does this differ when the course is say Par 72 and SSS 70? As obviously stableford is worked out against par?

Cheers x

 

[Ethan]

For handicap purposes, your score will be treated as 4 under par, and in this case, 4 under SSS too, so you would get cut 4 x whatever the cut increment is for 18 (0.3?).

Whether it is par 70 and 72 makes no difference. All that really matters is what the score is relative to SSS.

 

[Sneds]

Ethan, but in strokeplay my score was 2 under par? Gross 88?

And I was curious about the difference when the par is under the SSS. For example a Par 72 course, with an SSS of 70.

Would you work out your stableford score in relation to the Par, and then take off two for the SSS? x

 

[Up_Point_1]

I think without seeing your card it's a bit tricky to answer the question properly as (for handicap purposes) anything over a double bogey is rounded down to a double anyway.

Take your round with your HCP of 18:

88-18 = Net 70 (Par 72 - SSS 72) = 2 under handicap - you are playing to a 16 hcp, assuming you have nothing worse than a double on your card. You would get a reduction of 2 x 0.3 (0.6 off your hcp)

88-18 = Net 70 (Par 72 - SSS 70) = Playing to an 18 hcp (again assuming nothing worse than a double is on your card) your handicap wouldn't change.

I would try and throw the CSS alternative into this thread but as i've already got a couple of wines on board I think i'll just confuse myself.

Over to somebody more "sober" than me.

UP1.

 

[RGDave]

I shot a gross 88 with two blobs and had 40 points.

I'm confusled....

Par 72 gross 88...

Thinking "aloud"

40 points off 18 with 2 n/r's.....did you finish on those holes? (not that it's relevant to your question)....if you are including those in your gross score (which I'm guessing you are) the "good" 16 holes must have been really good.

Off 18...they must have been triples or worse, therefore if you played 16 over par (forget scratch just for now) you might well have played 16 of the holes to 10 or so?...that's excellent.

Very impressive.

 

[JezzE]

Also, how does this differ when the course is say Par 72 and SSS 70? As obviously stableford is worked out against par?

Sneds,

Probably the easiest way to think of it is that if par is the same as SSS, the effective Stableford SSS is 36 points, so if SSS is two below par as in your example you would simply add 2 for the effective Stableford SSS (ie 38). In other words you would need to score 38 points to play exactly to your handicap (subject to no CSS adjustments.

Similarly, if SSS was one above par the effective Stableford SSS would be 35 and so on.

Don't know if this helps or not?

 

[Sneds]

I shot a gross 88 with two blobs and had 40 points.

I'm confusled....

Par 72 gross 88...

Thinking "aloud"

40 points off 18 with 2 n/r's.....did you finish on those holes? (not that it's relevant to your question)....if you are including those in your gross score (which I'm guessing you are) the "good" 16 holes must have been really good.

Off 18...they must have been triples or worse, therefore if you played 16 over par (forget scratch just for now) you might well have played 16 of the holes to 10 or so?...that's excellent.

Very impressive.

The two holes that I blobbed were both 4 over pars. A 9 on a Par 5 and an 8 on a Par 4. Both OB off the tee if I remember correctly.

And Jezz, that was exactly what I was wondering when it came to SSS and Par, thank you very much x

 

[Ethan]

Also, how does this differ when the course is say Par 72 and SSS 70? As obviously stableford is worked out against par?

Sneds,

Probably the easiest way to think of it is that if par is the same as SSS, the effective Stableford SSS is 36 points, so if SSS is two below par as in your example you would simply add 2 for the effective Stableford SSS (ie 38). In other words you would need to score 38 points to play exactly to your handicap (subject to no CSS adjustments.

Similarly, if SSS was one above par the effective Stableford SSS would be 35 and so on.

Don't know if this helps or not?

Sounds good to me. On the course in question 36 points was the neutral point for handicap because it equated to par and SSS.

On a course where SSS was x lower than par, then 36 points still equates to nett par, but 36 plus x is the neutral score for handicap purposes, and any score above 36 plus x reduces handicap.