Handicap Issue

[jim8flog]

I made the conscious decision to reschedule our comps so we had nothing in the diary for 2 weeks before the end of October and nothing for a week afterwards. My confidence is somewhat less than Jims!!!

All players have to start sometime

It will be the first comp for players under the new rules whatever the date is chosen for the first comp.

 

[rulefan]

I have said the same to the competition organisers.

At least it is a non qualifier 4BBB

In that case I don't think it will go through to the WHS db

 

[rulefan]

The handicap is now inactive

It seems that may have caused some confusion.
The terms 'active' and 'inactive' relate to an old terminology. The current (ie upto 2 Nov) terms are 'competition' and 'non-competition'. The latter word in both cases meaning you hadn't returned 3 qualifying scores in the last calendar year. Clubs often use the 'c' (or old 'active') status to define eligibility for certain competitions.
It all goes after Nov 2nd

 

[rulie]

It seems that may have caused some confusion.
The terms 'active' and 'inactive' relate to an old terminology. The current (ie upto 2 Nov) terms are 'competition' and 'non-competition'. The latter word in both cases meaning you hadn't returned 3 qualifying scores in the last calendar year. Clubs often use the 'c' (or old 'active') status to define eligibility for certain competitions.
It all goes AWAY after Nov 2nd

 

[Colin L]

I tend to assume that when someone talks about an "inactive handicap" they haven't quite caught up with the times and mean they have lost competition status - and that includes people who should know better! And it's quite possible it was someone who should know better that gave the OP the term.

 

[Rlburnside]

I too am still keeping an eye on ours. Our last comp with the old rules is 30th October.

Our first comp with the new rules is acually on the 2nd November . Will be interesting to say the least I have already had to advise the organiser to change the stroke allowance.

When you say change the stroke allowance how does it differ from as it is at the moment? ie I’m 17 h/c and get a ‘shot’ on index 1-17

 

[DickInShorts]

When you say change the stroke allowance how does it differ from as it is at the moment? ie I’m 17 h/c and get a ‘shot’ on index 1-17

Pretty sure he was talking about the 95% of course handicap which is part of WHS

We already have 90% of difference in 4BBB

 

[Rlburnside]

Pretty sure he was talking about the 95% of course handicap which is part of WHS

We already have 90% of difference in 4BBB

Is the 95% for singles?

 

[rulefan]

Is the 95% for singles?

Yes - strokeplay

 

[jim8flog]

When you say change the stroke allowance how does it differ from as it is at the moment? ie I’m 17 h/c and get a ‘shot’ on index 1-17

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% of Course Handicap Allowed
Common Formats

Individual stroke play
95%
Individual Stableford
95%
Four-ball stroke play
85%
Four-ball stableford
85%
Individual match play
100%
Four-ball match play
90%
Occasional Formats

Best 1 of 4 stroke play
75%
Best 2 of 4 stroke play
85%
Best 3 of 4 stroke play
100%
All 4 of 4 stroke play
100%
Foursomes
50% of combined team handicap
Greensomes
60% Low handicap + 40% high handicap
Scramble (4 players)
25%/20%/15%/10% from lowest to highest handicap
Scramble (2 players)
35% Low / 15% High
+ Other Formats

 

[Jimbof]

@jim8flog - just to advise that the 4 BBB Matchplay is 90% not 95%. That changed after the EG presentations earlier in the year - the Rules of Handicapping manual has the correct one (it's the only change).

Jim

 

[rulefan]

 

[jim8flog]

@jim8flog - just to advise that the 4 BBB Matchplay is 90% not 95%. That changed after the EG presentations earlier in the year - the Rules of Handicapping manual has the correct one (it's the only change).

Jim

Thanks

I copied from the original , now edited. At least in the club we have posted the one from the WHS presentation

 

[rosecott]

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Somewhere along the line, I saw a reference to allowances for a 3-man scramble. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[jim8flog]

Somewhere along the line, I saw a reference to allowances for a 3-man scramble. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I noticed from the off that 3 man scramble is missing from the list

 

[rosecott]

I noticed from the off that 3 man scramble is missing from the list

I definitely saw mention of it at some stage.

 

[2blue]

Somewhere along the line, I saw a reference to allowances for a 3-man scramble. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Yeah, I've been looking for this & thought I'd seen it somewhere. Can't think of any reason for them to drop it.

 

[Jimbof]

You can see the 3-person Scramble recommendations in the CONGU Advice Document which can be found here:

https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/WHSDocs/Handicapping-Advice.pdf

Page 43 says:

Texas Scramble

The formula for a 4-player team scramble allowance is 25%/20%/15%/10% from lowest to highest Course Handicap.
For a 2-player team it is 35%/15%.
For a 3-player team CONGU recommends 30%/20%/10%.

 

[rosecott]

You can see the 3-person Scramble recommendations in the CONGU Advice Document which can be found here:

https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/WHSDocs/Handicapping-Advice.pdf

Page 43 says:

Texas Scramble

The formula for a 4-player team scramble allowance is 25%/20%/15%/10% from lowest to highest Course Handicap.
For a 2-player team it is 35%/15%.
For a 3-player team CONGU recommends 30%/20%/10%.

Thanks, I'm glad I wasn't imagining things

 

[Old Skier]

I have version 1-1 of the WHS rules and recommendations, anyone got an updated link if there is one.