Handicap change??

[Carpfather1]

This thread is very similar to the one i wrote about a month ago when i went round in 84 last month. I wrote that for one day only "i was the man".
Today you are the man. Cannot see that you will get cut though same as i did not.
So where does that leave you/me/us. Well positives positives positives. I was told by countless members on here, some of which posted on my thread that "you can do it". Now do it on a comp. honestly it felt a bit like bad luck tash never mind. But i did do it again and they were right i can do it again. But enough bout me what about you.
Two things spring to mind.
1, short game practice IS PAYING OFF.
2 course management IS PAYING OFF.

Good luck for rest of the season.
Tash

i been in the 80s regular lately but never that low so somthing is working ha and yes I like to think the practice is paying off and I hope I can do it in a couple of comps to Back the card up rather than like you said today I was the man lol.

 

[hovis]

The worst outcome is a HC that isn't reflective of someone's ability under the comp conditions.

It's a simple congu guideline that everyone must follow

Does it make it unfair on fellow competitors Trying to beat him?

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Assuming that you are entering a good number of competitions, it's not your fault that they haven't been qualifying and your handicap hasn't come down. For that reason, don't feel compelled to enter supplementary cards - if you win a couple of comps with really good scores, then so be it. Enjoy it. Most golfers have enjoyed a period of rapid improvement at some point or other and cleaned up a couple of comps.

I understand why the supplementary card rule (i.e. signing before going out to play) is there, but in th case of a 20 handicapper looking to get a three shot cut as their hadicap has become inaccurate, I think there should be some flexibility. Generally, what's the problem with someone playing off a lower handicap? I could understand if this were the difference between Cat 2 and Cat 1, but it isn't. Furthermore, isn't it right that we can play off any handicap we like in a comp, so long as it isn't higher than our actual handicap? In which case, what possible issue could there be with the OP playing off, at worst, a handicap that is too low for him?! Some poeple just seem to love following a rule for the sake of following a rule rather than considering whether it makes sense in the context of the facts presented.

I'm well aware that the obvious retort to that is that you can't have one rule for one person and another for others, but in my opinion, empowering clubs to exercise a bit of discretion and take the sensible course of action is much the better way of doing things.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does it make it unfair on fellow competitors Trying to beat him?

It's a simple rule that all congu affiliated clubs must follow regardless of fairness etc

 

[Carpfather1]

Assuming that you are entering a good number of competitions, it's not your fault that they haven't been qualifying and your handicap hasn't come down. For that reason, don't feel compelled to enter supplementary cards - if you win a couple of comps with really good scores, then so be it. Enjoy it. Most golfers have enjoyed a period of rapid improvement at some point or other and cleaned up a couple of comps.

I understand why the supplementary card rule (i.e. signing before going out to play) is there, but in th case of a 20 handicapper looking to get a three shot cut as their hadicap has become inaccurate, I think there should be some flexibility. Generally, what's the problem with someone playing off a lower handicap? I could understand if this were the difference between Cat 2 and Cat 1, but it isn't. Furthermore, isn't it right that we can play off any handicap we like in a comp, so long as it isn't higher than our actual handicap? In which case, what possible issue could there be with the OP playing off, at worst, a handicap that is too low for him?! Some poeple just seem to love following a rule for the sake of following a rule rather than considering whether it makes sense in the context of the facts presented.

I'm well aware that the obvious retort to that is that you can't have one rule for one person and another for others, but in my opinion, empowering clubs to exercise a bit of discretion and take the sensible course of action is much the better way of doing things.

Well this is my dilemma lol im been smashing my 20 hcap and because of the none handicap qualifiying comps all winter,my handicap hasn't dropped which has frustrated me a bit.like any golfer you want your handicap to drop and I play the weekly comp every Saturday I will ask the question today when Im at my club .

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Well this is my dilemma lol im been smashing my 20 hcap and because of the none handicap qualifiying comps all winter,my handicap hasn't dropped which has frustrated me a bit.like any golfer you want your handicap to drop and I play the weekly comp every Saturday I will ask the question today when Im at my club .

I had a similar thing to you two years ago. I had worked hard in the winter but no qualifying comps to bring my handicap down. I asked the pro what I should do and his answer was enter competitions and the handicap will take care of itself.

In the next comp I had 45 points to take me from 20 to 17, stayed there for a couple of months, then shot 44 points and was cut to 13 a couple of months later.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If the person is supposed to be a lower HC then they will do it in a comp which is where the best test of golf is.

Many people can shoot the lights out of the course without any pressure at all but they can't do it in any comp

 

[hovis]

It's a simple rule that all congu affiliated clubs must follow regardless of fairness etc

I didn't ask about rules. I asked a question. Answer it!

Perhaps if you didn't act like a robot and post your feelings rather than black and white all the time you would be better liked on this forum. You should really take a step back and take a look at what your saying and how you react to statements.

I asked that question knowing you would not answer the question.

 

[hovis]

If the person is supposed to be a lower HC then they will do it in a comp which is where the best test of golf is.

Many people can shoot the lights out of the course without any pressure at all but they can't do it in any comp

Either way. How does it effect you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I didn't ask about rules. I asked a question. Answer it!

Perhaps if you didn't act like a robot and post your feelings rather than black and white all the time you would be better liked on this forum. You should really take a step back and take a look at what your saying and how you react to statements.

I asked that question knowing you would not answer the question.

What ?!

My feelings are exactly that - they are the rules and it's something I agree with as your HC should be a reflection of your ability in comps not knock ups - there is no need to start being agressive.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Either way. How does it effect you?

Every rule affects everyone- I know the Belfry are a bit lax about them but our club isn't

 

[hovis]

- there is no need to start being agressive.

Its what you drive people to phil. Despite how many mod warnings and countless amount of people adding you to there ignore list you still dont get it and never will. You can reply to this post but i wont see it as I'm going to follow the ever growing crowd

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well this is my dilemma lol im been smashing my 20 hcap and because of the none handicap qualifiying comps all winter,my handicap hasn't dropped which has frustrated me a bit.like any golfer you want your handicap to drop and I play the weekly comp every Saturday I will ask the question today when Im at my club .

If you keep going it will happen in a comp - just to got to ride on the confidence gained

Even if there are no qualifiers you can still get cut by putting the supplementary cards in

 

[Deleted member 17920]

I know its wrong but when it goes towards a handicap cut whats the worst outcome? He gets a lower handicap and makes it harder for him to win a comp.

believe it or not there are plenty of people that are putting cards in to get a vanity handicap, I know of quite a few cases where people are putting in suspect cards to get cut to get into comps that have a ballot attached to them.

how would you feel if you wanted to play in a 36 hole tournament on a top 100 courses that was incredibly cheap and you might missed out by 1 place as the person got in by throwing in a duff supplementary card.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

believe it or not there are plenty of people that are putting cards in to get a vanity handicap, I know of quite a few cases where people are putting in suspect cards to get cut to get into comps that have a ballot attached to them.

how would you feel if you wanted to play in a 36 hole tournament on a top 100 courses that was incredibly cheap and you might missed out by 1 place as the person got in by throwing in a duff supplementary card.

There has been a number of cases of exactly that happening

It's not as much as an issue as people manipulating to get higher but still has its own issues

 

[TheJezster]

Nice shooting mate well done. Put the card in anyway, they might still cut you. All you're missing is "signing a book" beforehand so hopefully not too much of an issue for you.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Im currently off 19.5 at the moment but as a result of none handicap qualifying on club comps all winter my handicap has stayed the same even though I'm playing well under it. Today I had a knock with my usual playing partners and shot a 81 (10 over par) so 10 shots under my handicap so I acctually put the card in to get a handicap change how much will I come down by putting this card in?or does it vary from club to club ??i got my first comp of the summer season tomorrow which is stablford so hopfully tomorrow on I'll start getting it down in competion play but it all helps so put the card in start as you mean to go on sort of speak .

Good luck for today mate, probably with hindsight it'll be easier to have ignored your good rounds, I'm off 13 and have regularly being playing to 8-9 this winter and like yourself we don't have qualifiers.
The season will sort your handicap out as conditions change, what were the Winter rules at your club? Our tee boxes change to mats and we tee up on the fairways and closely mown areas, so our members tend to shoot better scores in the winter.
Good luck for the season.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

believe it or not there are plenty of people that are putting cards in to get a vanity handicap, I know of quite a few cases where people are putting in suspect cards to get cut to get into comps that have a ballot attached to them.

how would you feel if you wanted to play in a 36 hole tournament on a top 100 courses that was incredibly cheap and you might missed out by 1 place as the person got in by throwing in a duff supplementary card.

Surely a supplementary card still has to be witnessed and signed by a PP, I can't think of one of my PP's who would sign a suspect card, and rightly so.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely a supplementary card still has to be witnessed and signed by a PP, I can't think of one of my PP's who would sign a suspect card, and rightly so.

And no proper HC sec should put it through unless The book is signed but it wouldn't surprise me if it is allowed to happen at a number of clubs

 

[bluewolf]

And no proper HC sec should put it through unless The book is signed but it wouldn't surprise me if it is allowed to happen at a number of clubs

Plenty of clubs have handicap anomalies.. I know of 1 club that doesn't check the cards returned against the start list.. This means that if you have a bad round, but don't want your 0.1 back, then just don't hand in your card.. No check equals no .1... I suspect there are many that are run by well meaning people who don't always follow the set guidelines...