Handicap and Distance

[bluewolf]

Worse still if you follow your 300 & 260 and hit the next one OOB or lost, your average driving distance is now 186 yards !

Aaarrgghhhh!!!

Does anyone on here, or in the golfing world in general, use their duffs/tops/sha$£s to calculate their average distances? I don't stand on the tee on our 150 yd 17th and think - "This looks like a nice 8 iron, but my last 4 8 irons have been 145, 147, 23 and 153.. So that averages out at 117.....Best take my 5 iron then...." If anyone does use their bad shots, then how does that work? Serious question this time...
Oh, and Daveyboy. I believe you. I hit our 480 yd 7th hole with Driver, 6 iron last week. The 6 iron travelled a total of 210yds but with quite a bit of roll out. The next time I used the 6 iron, it travelled a total of 170 yds... Strange game sometimes...

 

[patricks148]

220 yards with a 6 iron... you girl, i can hit my 9 iron 217 yards.......










Thin and on a frozen rock hard Fairway, downwind

 

[bluewolf]

220 yards with a 6 iron... you girl, i can hit my 9 iron 217 yards.......










Thin and on a frozen rock hard Fairway, downwind

Don't forget downhill as well mate... Seriously downhill....

 

[Lump]

Aaarrgghhhh!!!

Does anyone on here, or in the golfing world in general, use their duffs/tops/sha$£s to calculate their average distances? I don't stand on the tee on our 150 yd 17th and think - "This looks like a nice 8 iron, but my last 4 8 irons have been 145, 147, 23 and 153.. So that averages out at 117.....Best take my 5 iron then...." If anyone does use their bad shots, then how does that work? Serious question this time...
Oh, and Daveyboy. I believe you. I hit our 480 yd 7th hole with Driver, 6 iron last week. The 6 iron travelled a total of 210yds but with quite a bit of roll out. The next time I used the 6 iron, it travelled a total of 170 yds... Strange game sometimes...

Your 6 iron is again a 5 iron in drag....

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Aaarrgghhhh!!!

Does anyone on here, or in the golfing world in general, use their duffs/tops/sha$£s to calculate their average distances? I don't stand on the tee on our 150 yd 17th and think - "This looks like a nice 8 iron, but my last 4 8 irons have been 145, 147, 23 and 153.. So that averages out at 117.....Best take my 5 iron then...." If anyone does use their bad shots, then how does that work? Serious question this time...

I don't include total mis-hits, what's the point, they aren't your average shot.

 

[El Bandito]

Aaarrgghhhh!!!

Does anyone on here, or in the golfing world in general, use their duffs/tops/sha$£s to calculate their average distances? I don't stand on the tee on our 150 yd 17th and think - "This looks like a nice 8 iron, but my last 4 8 irons have been 145, 147, 23 and 153.. So that averages out at 117.....Best take my 5 iron then...." If anyone does use their bad shots, then how does that work? Serious question this time...
Oh, and Daveyboy. I believe you. I hit our 480 yd 7th hole with Driver, 6 iron last week. The 6 iron travelled a total of 210yds but with quite a bit of roll out. The next time I used the 6 iron, it travelled a total of 170 yds... Strange game sometimes...

Might go better for me if I did think that way! Power putt with a five iron. Might work.....:swing:

 

[patricks148]

Don't forget downhill as well mate... Seriously downhill....

Funny enough it wasn't downhill, i couldn't feel 3 fingers on my right hand for a week though

 

[DAVEYBOY]

Ooooohhhhhh, I was on your side until you took a pop at the short hitters!!

Ha Ha

Hawkeye I didn't say the drive I hit 298 stopped like a wedge as I'm sure it must have had some roll or bounce and a few extra yards from the wind. I also hit a few other very good drives on the day but they only measured 270-280 and I'd expect them to be much further on a summer fairway. Not every fairway is the same. Some where very wet and the ball was just stopping dead. The 6 iron on the other hand was all carry as it was next to its huge pitch-mark. And like others have highlighted my 6 iron is 27 degrees. I'm not trying to blag anyone I'm just stating the facts.

Would my distances be more believable if I was off lets say 13?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Aaarrgghhhh!!!

Does anyone on here, or in the golfing world in general, use their duffs/tops/sha$£s to calculate their average distances?

...though if you stood there with a 5i and 10 balls and wellied each of them as hard as you could - topped, fluffed etc etc all but one decent one which went 220yds - what would you say the average of your 10 was

Actually you need a representative sample before you can work out any statistic - otherwise your result is statistically unrepresentative.

Truth is that statistically we will every so often follow our Sunday best drive with our Sunday best second shot - problem is that both are statistically low probability (by definition) - and hence the probability of the two will be low x low - but we can still all do it. But I'd say that on a par 4 our Sunday best + Sunday best plus Sunday best putts is our 3sigma combination so we will only do it about 0.3% of the time (which is not that often).

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Ha Ha

Hawkeye I didn't say the drive I hit 298 stopped like a wedge as I'm sure it must have had some roll or bounce and a few extra yards from the wind. I also hit a few other very good drives on the day but they only measured 270-280 and I'd expect them to be much further on a summer fairway. Not every fairway is the same. Some where very wet and the ball was just stopping dead. The 6 iron on the other hand was all carry as it was next to its huge pitch-mark. And like others have highlighted my 6 iron is 27 degrees. I'm not trying to blag anyone I'm just stating the facts.

Would my distances be more believable if I was off lets say 13?

In that case I must have mis-interpreted this from post #68...

Lol still hit some belters into the wind. I didn't enjoying the soggy fairways though, Drives where stopping like wedge shots.

...and if I did, I apologise. I have no issue with 300 yard drives downwind, it's 300 yard carries I raise eyebrows at but as I said, I may have mis-interpreted. Your handicap is irrelevant by the way, I'd be cynical about 300yd carries from most amateur golfers.

 

[mab]

It is ridiculous to think a high handicapper can't average 260yd drives.

It is not ridiculous to think that high handicappers generally don't average 260yd drives AND hit a large percentage of fairways; of course this can happen, but it would be very rare.

Just like short game improvement is generally the route for a 12 to get down to 6, whereas in my case it is driving that lets me down terriblly. Whilst it is generally true, it's not always...

 

[DAVEYBOY]

But I feel more comfortable with a driver in my hand than a putter, we all have strong areas of our game and tee shots with driver are my strong point.

 

[woody69]

But I feel more comfortable with a driver in my hand than a putter, we all have strong areas of our game and tee shots with driver are my strong point.

Have you tried putting with your driver then? Could get some decent results!

 

[bluewolf]

...though if you stood there with a 5i and 10 balls and wellied each of them as hard as you could - topped, fluffed etc etc all but one decent one which went 220yds - what would you say the average of your 10 was

If I only hit one decent shot with a 5 iron I wouldn't be thinking about average distances. I'd be thinking about getting the Dive gear out of the attic and starting Diving again...

With regards to our Sunday best shots, I agree. My 6 iron into the par 5 green was actually meant as a lay up to 40 yds. I work on an "average" of 170 with my 30 degree 6 iron. This one just came straight out of the hotspot and rolled onto the front of the green. I was as surprised as anyone. I have hit the driver out to some decent distances on occasion, but I'm very happy with 240-250yds. That's what I work on when planning the hole. Any further than that and it's actually a blip.

I'm more than happy with my distances. I'm fairly tall (6ft 3) and have a sporting background. There are plenty who hit it past me on here (That I've played with). :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But I feel more comfortable with a driver in my hand than a putter, we all have strong areas of our game and tee shots with driver are my strong point.

Daveyboy - no need to go all defensive - we know as well as you do that some part(s) of your game are relatively rubbish compared with your driving. Enjoy your driving - and build on it. But don't depend upon it because one day you will be standing there on the first tee watching you hitherto impeccable driving sweetly deliver a tee shot 250yds the wrong way into stuff from where you have not had to extricate yourself from before.

And you will wonder what happened there? And 18 holes later you will wonder what on earth has happened to your driving - as it has all gone wrong - vanished as if you had never smote a mighty blow far into the heart of a fairway. And it might come back - and it might not. But fortunately you had fixed the roof while the sun shone and the rest of your game is tickety-boo and easily compensates for a bit less control or distance off of the tee.

 

[DAVEYBOY]

Daveyboy - no need to go all defensive - we know as well as you do that some part(s) of your game are relatively rubbish compared with your driving. Enjoy your driving - and build on it. But don't depend upon it because one day you will be standing there on the first tee watching you hitherto impeccable driving sweetly deliver a tee shot 250yds the wrong way into stuff from where you have not had to extricate yourself from before.

And you will wonder what happened there? And 18 holes later you will wonder what on earth has happened to your driving - as it has all gone wrong - vanished as if you had never smote a mighty blow far into the heart of a fairway. And it might come back - and it might not. But fortunately you had fixed the roof while the sun shone and the rest of your game is tickety-boo and easily compensates for a bit less control or distance off of the tee.

Mate believe me I do have bad days where a nasty hook rears its head but after sending some photos to JO (James) he pointed out a few flaws at the top of my swing and pointed out the direction my shoulders where aiming and hey-presto the very small changes have worked miracles. So James let that head grow my son :thup:

The only thing I am trying to point out is that high handicap players can hit the ball as far as a lower handicap player. Both me and my playing partner can hit very long shots aswell as Hovis (Forum member) who up until recently also played off 17.

 

[rksquire]

This is an excellent question, and after reading through 12 pages the answers actually give the answer.

Justone hit on it early on with ‘my willie is bigger’ comment, because distance (length!) is king. Sure, it won’t necessarily win you competitions, or get you a low handicap, but it will get you admiring glances and pats on the back. Whilst putting wins you the hole, the back slapping you get from holing out from 25ft is not the same as the back slapping from an enormous drive down the middle of the fairway – either in the way its given or recieved.
So, to the original question – it’s a subconscious jealousy thing. Somebody mentioned a scratch golfer with 235 yard drives. Why doesn’t he believe a 15HC can drive 300yards? Loads of reasons – but it boils down to the same thing. Imagine if that scratch golfer could hit the ball 300 yards, and keep it in play? How much would that improve his game? Why, that person, might just be a pro. And that hurts.

Or maybe, more reasonably (subconsciously), because they are a 15HC, there’s no way they have the skillset to be able to do that....

 

[DAVEYBOY]

This is an excellent question, and after reading through 12 pages the answers actually give the answer.

Justone hit on it early on with ‘my willie is bigger’ comment, because distance (length!) is king. Sure, it won’t necessarily win you competitions, or get you a low handicap, but it will get you admiring glances and pats on the back. Whilst putting wins you the hole, the back slapping you get from holing out from 25ft is not the same as the back slapping from an enormous drive down the middle of the fairway – either in the way its given or recieved.
So, to the original question – it’s a subconscious jealousy thing. Somebody mentioned a scratch golfer with 235 yard drives. Why doesn’t he believe a 15HC can drive 300yards? Loads of reasons – but it boils down to the same thing. Imagine if that scratch golfer could hit the ball 300 yards, and keep it in play? How much would that improve his game? Why, that person, might just be a pro. And that hurts.

Or maybe, more reasonably (subconsciously), because they are a 15HC, there’s no way they have the skillset to be able to do that....

Ha Ha they are going to hang you :clap:

 

[hovis]

Daveboy quotes are not unreal. Remember his 6 iron is 1 degree off my 4 iron (i play i20's) and he does hit a mean drive as I have personly witnessed. He also has no wish to brag and penis measure on a forum. So, for one I believe him 100%. His friend mark hits it further though :temper:

 

[Linnets]

Reading through this thread really has me thinking I'm an under achiever I'm the definition of a high handicapper but I only hit it 190-200 yards with my driver....lots of work needed it seems.