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I need brain bleach....
Gun activists.
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Wolf
Well-known member
I think I've seen that video ?
Ye Olde Boomer
Well-known member
Most American states allow lethal force against home invasion.
We could shoot a home invader between the eyes and not even have our firearm permanently confiscated, much less "end up in the clank."
We're a different nation with different values than the UK.
When it comes to socialized medicine, I like the UK's values.
Your firearms laws seem very oppressive to me, but we already know that we won't agree on tghis.
CliveW
Tour Winner
I'm sure I read that there are over 2 million guns in Switzerland with a population of just over 8 million.
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Ah yes America the country you could shoot a home invader and get away with it but if you have an accident and can't afford your medical bill you could end up homeless
Great nation
Sats
Challenge Tour Pro
I personally don't trust most people with a pen let alone a firearm. The reason why there's not as many stabbings in the US is because guns are relatively easy to come by and guns are really difficult to come across in the UK - in particular ammunition. Whereas you can buy a knife anywhere.
Kellfire
Blackballed
When your only continual defence is “But it’s legal, but it’s legal” you know you’re losing the argument.
Sex with minors is legal in certainly countries. Is that ok?
Sex with minors is legal in certainly countries. Is that ok?
Britishshooting
Club Champion
It doesn't matter if guns are made illegal the only people that are going to shoot people are criminal and don't care for the law aside from accidents. Lets say guns are somehow banned in America and an amnesty clears every gun out of public circulation? A new culture would replace it, the UK has knife crime as there the most accessible and discreet weapon for criminals to possess without dropping a lot more money on a gun illegally obtained via black market etc.
The gun would just be replaced by another means, granted the knife is theoretically less capable of mass murder in schools etc. as the perpetrator could be battled off. The car or truck is a replacement that in my opinion is just as capable if not more capable than a gun to kill/maim masses of people.
Take the vegas shooter for example, 59 fatalties when opening fire into 22,000 people. A terrible number but lets say he didn't have guns... With a suitably kitted out car how many deaths 'could' there have been if he drove through the crowds? I dare say more to be honest.
We have guns in the UK and I honestly can't recall in recent years any suitably certified gun owner using it with criminal intentions, it's the illegal held guns that cause the problem. Handguns were banned post dunblane in 1997 so no law abiding citizen can access them in the uk. The handgun is still however the most used firearm in crime which speaks volumes. Unfortunately in the USA due to the amount of guns in cicrculation and lesser suitability checks guns are in a lot of wrong hands, but I don't see now how they can rectify this. An outright ban will just never happen but there is a big problem with people that have access to guns.
What I'm saying is the gun is clearly not the problem it's the process in which they are obtained which gives much more accessiblity to guns to those with criminal/murderous intentions.
Kellfire
Blackballed
I disagree almost entirely. You’re burying your head in the sand imo. The gun is the problem.
Robster59
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Cumbria Massacre
Cumbria Shootings Wiki Page
There is an interesting article here from The Independent which shows how 4 countries have cut back dramatically on gun deaths.
Independent Article
If America had the will, then they could try to do similar things. In fact, Obama did try but the gun lobby and the good old boys seem to wield more power than the President in this matter.
Apart from this one you mean
Cumbria Massacre
Cumbria Shootings Wiki Page
There is an interesting article here from The Independent which shows how 4 countries have cut back dramatically on gun deaths.
Independent Article
If America had the will, then they could try to do similar things. In fact, Obama did try but the gun lobby and the good old boys seem to wield more power than the President in this matter.
Wolf
Well-known member
Does the gun self load, self aim and fire...
The gun is the tool, the people and legislation are the problem.
Kellfire
Blackballed
If people don’t have guns they have to make do with much less efficient means. I know who I’d fancy my chances with out of a lunatic with a knife and a lunatic with a gun.
Russ_D
Club Champion
A welsh prophet once said "Guns dont kill people, Rappers do".
In all seriousness I dont think the gun is the problem. After all its an inanimate object. It only becomes a deadly weapon when picked up by a person. When an armed police officer shoots a terrorist or gunman they usually get praised for their swift actions but its obviously different when a nut job goes on a spree people talk about the gun itself, not the morals or mental state of the person using it.
That said I think current UK gun laws do as much as they can. Criminals and the like will always find a way to get hold of illeagal weapons.
Britishshooting
Club Champion
That's ten years ago now which is why I hadn't included. FAO checks etc. got tightened up further since then however. A lot more emphasis is now on the checks of mental state etc. which requires doctors sign off. Even those living with you are lightly scrutinised and are not to access your gun cabinet. That's the best thing about gun ownership! You can hide new purchases in one of the gun cabinets and she'll never know.
NRA fund a lot of campaigns behind the scenes to ensure they are not targeted. They don't want any regression on gun policies. A big problem there in itself.
This sums up the difference between UK and USA...
USA = Mass shooting no change to policy. Infact lets ban bump stucks which to be fair only completely mess up having any accuracy whatsoever.
UK = Man with mental issues kills numerous people. (Tighten up checks on applicants to ensure they are of sound mental state.)
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Britishshooting
Club Champion
Let me put it this way then. Have you been concerned with the accessibility to guns within the UK and believe we have a gun problem in the uk? Because we have access to guns with the relevant certification and I don't see much gun crime happening here it's all knife crime due to accessibility and culture.
Ban Knifes I say, they're the problem and your burying your head in the sand if you don't think we should all be eating from sporks with a lightly serrated edge for cutting purposes.
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Swango1980
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I hate this argument. I've said it before, and will again. You could make the exact same argument for a nuclear weapon. You can say it is the people setting it off that are the problem, not the weapon itself. Personally, however, I'm glad massive global restrictions make it almost impossible for those mad men to get their hands on one.
bobmac
Major Champion
Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
But, they can kill a lot more people if they have a gun and from a safe range.
But, they can kill a lot more people if they have a gun and from a safe range.
Kellfire
Blackballed
I apologise for trying to discuss this with you if that’s your argument.
Britishshooting
Club Champion
It's not an argument, just a civil debate. I see it from both sides strangely as a gun owner. It's hardly a debate however when you don't engage and just make statements that have no relevance to the original discussion... Ignore the first portion of my post as you can't answer 'yes' and refer to my obviously sarcastic comment at the bottom to avoid a direct discussion.
