G1BB0
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[video=youtube;VdDpmt5OwV0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDpmt5OwV0&feature=plcp[/video]
thoughts please?
thoughts please?
good video by Mr Crossfield
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Scottjd1
Tour Rookie
I like pretty much all his stuff.
I bought his ipad app and can spend hours watching his videos. Learnt a lot from them too 👍
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Good video if you've already got a decent swing/path/clubface.
Wolfman
Tour Rookie
Me too he is one of the best on the WEB
Interesting points and makes alot of sense
Interesting points and makes alot of sense
chrisd
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JustOne
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What is most interesting (to me) is that at the time of posting this reply there's been 155 views of the thread whereas the one for poor service has had 850..... just goes to show that people that play this game really aren't THAT interested in understanding it.
...and 1700 views about a 27/hcap buying a wedge that he probably can't hit
...and 1700 views about a 27/hcap buying a wedge that he probably can't hit
duncan mackie
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What is most interesting (to me) is that at the time of posting this reply there's been 155 views of the thread whereas the one for poor service has had 850..... just goes to show that people that play this game really aren't THAT interested in understanding it.
...and 1700 views about a 27/hcap buying a wedge that he probably can't hit
as you suggest - it's definitely more about buying it than improving your use of what you already have for the majority.
I have to admit to doing a G1BB0 on a wedge this morning though - the forum was down so I popped onto ebay to check progress on some Retro Pringle gear and ended up with another wedge. Maybe it will work better?
Ethan
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It is hardly a revelation that strike quality is an important determinant of dispersion, or that gear effect is a factor with driver shots.
But he is wrong to say that sidespin does not exist. It clearly does, although it is bound up with backspin and is seen in the angle of the spin axis. If there was no sidespin, the ball would not deviate to the side and the shots he hit in that video, the effect of the spin axis is clear.
Just another example of Crossfield trying to further his brand as the skeptic on custom fitting guy. Funny that, since he sells an app with lots of lessons and all.
But he is wrong to say that sidespin does not exist. It clearly does, although it is bound up with backspin and is seen in the angle of the spin axis. If there was no sidespin, the ball would not deviate to the side and the shots he hit in that video, the effect of the spin axis is clear.
Just another example of Crossfield trying to further his brand as the skeptic on custom fitting guy. Funny that, since he sells an app with lots of lessons and all.
Ian_S
Challenge Tour Pro
It's funny. It's so obvious that quality of strike will affect the balls flight, but unless it gets said it's easy to forget about it. So when you hit an unexpected slice, you start wondering about "did I come out to in, is the face open etc etc" rather than just going to the most likely culprit, which is that you didn't catch that one clean.
duncan mackie
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It just seems to be the modern line to refer to it all this way - there's enough posts on here that jump on anyone referencing 'sidespin'. Technically, as you yourself say here, sidespin doesn't exist independently - there is only one spin axis on the ball at any one time.
JustOne
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LOLNot really a Gibbo unless you're drunk and having a punch-up with your kids :clap:
G1BB0
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OI!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Ethan
Money List Winner
But he didn't test the relative contributions of different striking faults.
If he had hit a few with certain degrees of open or shut on a straight swing path, or various degrees of out to in and in to out with a face that was square to the intended swing path, and so on, we could start to see the relative contributions of each, albeit within the limitations of his swing speed, the crappy range balls and the effect of the particular driver. So his starting spiel that only 2 or 3 got 'the answer' right is misleading because he didn't properly answer the question that he posed. He set out to demonstrate what he thought the answer was, but that is not the same thing at all. He also didn't look at the extent to which the magnitude of dispersion varied with loft or a firm low spin ball, for example.
garyinderry
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it still certainly gives food for thought! i have wondered how i hit a fade at times when im mucking about at the range with the club face really shut and swinging wildly from the inside. makes sense now that it happened when i didnt hit it out of the middle.
eye opener video.
eye opener video.
Ian_S
Challenge Tour Pro
I think the point of the video, rather than to answer the question set, was just to demonstrate that you can spend all the time in the world worrying about swinging on plane, sorting the face etc, but if you aren't making consistent, good contact with the ball then any corrections you make to your swing to account for your prevailing miss-shot are unlikely to succeed. Also, it showed you can have the best swing path and face angle in the world, but unless you hit the ball clean you won't hit straight shots.
You're right that he didn't actually answer the exact question he posed, but in reality there is not one answer. Different golfers will have misstriking contributing to their misses in different percentages based on the whole range of other numbers on display.
On a slight aside, who wouldn't love to have their own trackman to just mess around with and actually do the kind of full statistical analysis you're talking about?
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Totally agree... pretty hard to hit a straight shot with the face 5 degrees open... regardless of missing the sweetspot by 1/2 inch.
Seems we'll all have to buy ourselves a trackman to be any good at this game.
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