MegaSteve
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Not an angler myself but my fishing neighbours tell me Savay is a great local 'amenity' likely to be lost to HS2...
Golf Club loses half its members due to HS2
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Not an angler myself but my fishing neighbours tell me Savay is a great local 'amenity' likely to be lost to HS2...
There are a lot of constituencies along the whole route, not just Ruislip! Could be a winner for UKIP as the only political party that opposes HS2!
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There is no railway equivalent to the M25 around London. Very often to get from one suburb to another by rail, you have to go into central London and then back out again on a different line. :mmm:
MadAdey
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well if a golf club loses half it's members at around the same time that it is released that the HS2 will cut through the course taking some holes with it, the it is fair to assume that is why a majority have left
you wait until there are plans set in black and white and people can see what effect it will have on the course and it will defiantly get the go ahead. Just imagine a club with 600 members is going to have its course destroyed by the HS2. Are they going to lose most of its members when it turns into a nice 15 hole course, with 3 crappy holes that got made on what little land they could post HS2. If it was in an area where maybe there is only 1 other course close enough and good enough that fits my budget, I would be seriously weighing up my options before everyone jumps ship and that course now has a full membership. Last thing I would want is to miss out because I showed loyalty until the end to my current club.
SocketRocket
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When they cut the Reditch bypass road in the 1970s it cut the Golf Club in half. The club were compensated and allocated some new land. If you play there now it's a very nice Golf Club and seems like it was always there.
IMO you cant invest enough in the Rail network, road travel will become more and more expensive as fuel prices increase so demand will probably drop away. We need this new line to remove demand from some existing ones and we need to build a lot more to get us out of our cars and the trucks off the roads.
The current complaining is what always happens when such new projects are planned and was much the case with the original railways.
IMO you cant invest enough in the Rail network, road travel will become more and more expensive as fuel prices increase so demand will probably drop away. We need this new line to remove demand from some existing ones and we need to build a lot more to get us out of our cars and the trucks off the roads.
The current complaining is what always happens when such new projects are planned and was much the case with the original railways.
MegaSteve
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Sorry, totally irrelevant to what is happening to Ruislip... No proposals in place whatsoever to compensate for loss of this amenity or any other in the area...
I paid a visit to the Ruislip course to use their range earlier today. Fortunately it was still there, as was the clubhouse and the shop. The shop had little other than starter sets on sale. I was able to buy a decent meal in the clubhouse, now called 'The Fairways Inn'. Sadly the members handicap list, including juniors, now fits onto one sheet of A4 paper. Only about 84 names A-Y (no Z's)! It is a pay and play course, so they may get enough casual players to keep it going for the time being.
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MadAdey
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I would disagree, as I think it is very relevant to the thread. He is saying that another course got cut up by progress, but with compensation money and new land they have managed to overcome the problem. That is he point that is being made.
but if there is no compensation, or new land to use then it is very harsh on the golf course and it's users.
Hacker Khan
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Pathetic argument.
I'm sure there was stuff lost when they built Heathrow.... should we not have had it?
Maybe we should have opted to stay in the Stone Age. Damn those train tracks that sliced our Country into bits and bought food/supplies/work to the masses!!
Everything has to move on, everything has to be improved/upgraded, sometimes it happens on 'our patch' and we don't like it, too bad for you this time.... next time it'll probably be me (sod's law).
What he said. The line is planned to go about 800 yards from my relatively remote house in the countryside. And I'm not 100% convinced that it will be needed in 30 odd years time as I think remote working will be much more common, so the need to move lots of people will reduce. But then again you need to upgrade the public transport network for this country to keep its economic competitiveness.
If this was China they would have built this in a couple of years instead of the years and years of delays and extra costs this project will inevitably incur.
MegaSteve
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The land the course is on is council owned and as far as I can see council are welcoming HS2 'disruption' as an excuse to turn land into a housing development.... Hopefully I am wrong... I shouldn't really care as I'll be long gone before it happens...
Recent quote from leader of the council...
“In effect, HS2 will close both courses and residents need to recognise this.â€
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Absolutely - now let's just get on with building the thing.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Our cardiovascular system is not simply a good way of moving stuff from A to B - it keeps our arms and legs alive and able to grow. Not a lot of point in having a cardiovascular system limited to our trunk and head as by themselves they are of limited use.
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Would prefer to see the billions spend on improving the current rail system we have so that all tax payers ( who are paying for it ) can feel the benefit and not just businesses in London and Brum.
Fully hope to see the thing binned and the money spent better elsewhere
Fully hope to see the thing binned and the money spent better elsewhere
Rooter
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I'm in the "don't see the point" camp. but to be honest i dont know enough detail to have a fully formed opinion, mainly around the amount of freight to be transported on it, if high then i can see the positives.
I did hear that they are planning on reducing the speed limit on the M1 to 60mph, the professional cynic might say its to make HS2 travel seem even quicker...
I did hear that they are planning on reducing the speed limit on the M1 to 60mph, the professional cynic might say its to make HS2 travel seem even quicker...
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Reducing it to 60mph near Derby - pollution reduction it appears
Rooter
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In_The_Rough
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So they can hand out more speeding tickets more like. Anyway with regards to the HS2 how is it going to benefit normal people anyway as rail costs are horrific. More likely be a luxury business travel for all them to use whilst on their jolleys. If it is used as a freight train then great but cannot see that personally. Total waste of money if you ask me. Would be better spent getting flood defences sort out and getting the rivers and streams dredged so people are not flooded year on year.
SocketRocket
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When I have travelled on high speed trains around the world I have been so impressed with them. I wonder if Japan had this same type of public debate when they build the Shinkansen? I guess these other countries must all be idiots to have considered high speed rail would be worth the investment!
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That line actually stops at various different towns and cities to allow the whole country to use it and have the benefit.
If they upgraded our current rail network then fine but they aren't - this is a direct link between two cities to cut travel time down - what about all the people in the east of the country or the west that see zero benefit from this but yet their taxes are paying for it.
High speed travel is worth the investment but only if it benefits everyone and isn't just about two cities
If they upgraded our current rail network then fine but they aren't - this is a direct link between two cities to cut travel time down - what about all the people in the east of the country or the west that see zero benefit from this but yet their taxes are paying for it.
High speed travel is worth the investment but only if it benefits everyone and isn't just about two cities
In_The_Rough
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Agree the Japanese model is fantastic. However the model we are talking about here in England the gain is a 12 minute(I think) reduction in travel time between 2 cities. I my journey from Brum to London took 1 hour and they said if we spend a few billion quid we can reduce it to 48 mins for you my response would be along the lines of so what. Do you not think things should be open to debate though or should we become an authoritarian state where things just get done no questions asked like in China etc
