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I once went to Leeds but unfortunately it was closed. However, I understand it is a quaint little market town full of charming local people.
Golf Club loses half its members due to HS2
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I once went to Leeds but unfortunately it was closed. However, I understand it is a quaint little market town full of charming local people.
JustOne
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Foxholer
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There's actually a new Golf Course/Club being developed in the neighbourhood - 27 holes and by the guys who developed The Shire London. So no problem for actual Golfers.
Wrt to roads local to Heathrow.
It's a Traffic Management truism (based on psychology) that, except for short periods, will never be any less congestion on busy roads than there are 'now'. This is because as soon as you free up the congestion, all the potential users that have been put off because of the congestion simply start using them - creating congestion. The aim of such Road improvement programs can only be to increase throughput, not to improve congestion.
As for the HS2. A huge expense, long overdue/put off by successive governments because of classic (and quite reasonable) English Nimby-ism. I don't believe it will solve anywhere near as much as the proponents hope - in fact, it's likely to mean even more 'London-centric' problems and 'congestion' in London imo. My view is that there is not enough freight moved via the Rail Network - and too much via the Road one. If that state could be 'improved' then there'd be a much better overall balance of those resources imo.
Wrt to roads local to Heathrow.
It's a Traffic Management truism (based on psychology) that, except for short periods, will never be any less congestion on busy roads than there are 'now'. This is because as soon as you free up the congestion, all the potential users that have been put off because of the congestion simply start using them - creating congestion. The aim of such Road improvement programs can only be to increase throughput, not to improve congestion.
As for the HS2. A huge expense, long overdue/put off by successive governments because of classic (and quite reasonable) English Nimby-ism. I don't believe it will solve anywhere near as much as the proponents hope - in fact, it's likely to mean even more 'London-centric' problems and 'congestion' in London imo. My view is that there is not enough freight moved via the Rail Network - and too much via the Road one. If that state could be 'improved' then there'd be a much better overall balance of those resources imo.
MegaSteve
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Played many times at Ruislip and was a member at Harefield for a number of years...
When they were proper muni's they were [reasonably] well maintained but once they were handed to management companies they went downhill rapidly....
Sadly Harefield is more or less beyond saving.... Wonder what happened to the money that was meant to restore course after the pipeworks was completed... No doubt lining some pockets....
Ruislip due to easy access [being at the end of the Central Line] was where many would have started playing this great game... Still hoping HS2 won't happen and this great local amenity along with HOAC won't be lost...
Believe shooting club [adjacentish to first tee] have already been moved out....
Fully paid up NIMBY Ruislip....
When they were proper muni's they were [reasonably] well maintained but once they were handed to management companies they went downhill rapidly....
Sadly Harefield is more or less beyond saving.... Wonder what happened to the money that was meant to restore course after the pipeworks was completed... No doubt lining some pockets....
Ruislip due to easy access [being at the end of the Central Line] was where many would have started playing this great game... Still hoping HS2 won't happen and this great local amenity along with HOAC won't be lost...
Believe shooting club [adjacentish to first tee] have already been moved out....
Fully paid up NIMBY Ruislip....
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Imurg
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I don't
I don't.....
They have chucked about numbers like 20 trains an hour going along this line....
Are there really 200k people a day that need to get to and from Birmingham 20 minutes quicker..? And how much are their tickets going to cost?
Virtually everyone is within half an hour of a major road or Motorway that connects you up with the rest of the Network. Improve them and you have an even better network to everyone's benefit. Hardly anyone who isn't currently 'blighted' by roads will experience much disruption or devastation.
HS2 will only benefit those in London or those in Birmingham. It only stops there..
I will never use it because it would take longer to get to one end of the line than it would to make the journey to the other. And yet it will cut a swathe through the edge of my Town, destroy my Golf Club and create so much noise and disruption in the manufacture.
I get all the pain and absolutely no gain at all.
And if your house is more than a wedge away from the line you get little or no compensation.
We are a fairly compact Country, we do not have huge open spaces that will not feel the effects of something like this. So do we NEED it? If you're during journey times by a couple of hours or more then it might be worth it but 20 minutes..? Really..?
Anyway, in the future , won't we all be doing everything by video conference rather than face to face? Surely, as technology develops, there will be less need to travel for meetings and jobs - not more.....
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MegaSteve
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Will it be affordable for the 'average' muni man?
Will it be as welcoming to newcomers as Ruislip was?
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Have any of you used the existing high speed service? It's a world away from the crap FCC service I catch to Moorgate every day. Comfortable and above all bloody fast! I went to Royal St Georges on it to see the open, warp speed to Ashford then chug chug to sandwich once you off the fast rails!.
Our Rail system sucks and is crying out for an upgrade.
Our Rail system sucks and is crying out for an upgrade.
jimbob.someroo
Journeyman Pro
I have no massive opinion on this either way, but one thing that has not really been mentioned is that creating HS2 would reduce congestion on the other lines out of London which in theory would limit delays / cancellations and allow those tracks to also be upgraded. At the moment it's near-impossible to start to do upgrade works on the main lines in/out of London as the lines are running at over 95% capacity, doing work on even a mile of track outside Euston/Kings X etc would have a massive effect on 1000's of commuters.
Like I say, no real view on it either way but the whole thing isn't just about getting to Birmingham 12 minutes quicker.
Like I say, no real view on it either way but the whole thing isn't just about getting to Birmingham 12 minutes quicker.
JustOne
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Pathetic argument.
I'm sure there was stuff lost when they built Heathrow.... should we not have had it?
Maybe we should have opted to stay in the Stone Age. Damn those train tracks that sliced our Country into bits and bought food/supplies/work to the masses!!
Everything has to move on, everything has to be improved/upgraded, sometimes it happens on 'our patch' and we don't like it, too bad for you this time.... next time it'll probably be me (sod's law).
I'm sure there was stuff lost when they built Heathrow.... should we not have had it?
Maybe we should have opted to stay in the Stone Age. Damn those train tracks that sliced our Country into bits and bought food/supplies/work to the masses!!
Everything has to move on, everything has to be improved/upgraded, sometimes it happens on 'our patch' and we don't like it, too bad for you this time.... next time it'll probably be me (sod's law).
Foxholer
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Given the 'sensible commercial' way The Shire London is run, I'm very confident that both the above categories will be catered for!
My understanding is that that approach was based quite a lot on the rebellion against the 'fuddy-duddy Members Club' one that was encountered at a club nearby to where The Shire (and it wasn't Derham Park)!
MegaSteve
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Heathrow, back in the day, was good for the 'boro but the sooner they take it away the better as far as I am concerned...
JustOne
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A fair enough opinion that would likely be different if you worked there earning £150,000 p/a as an air traffic controller
MegaSteve
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A fair enough opinion that would likely be different if you worked there earning £150,000 p/a as an air traffic controller
NATS has long gone from the 'boro...
Now just another housing estate....
sweatysock41
Q-School Graduate
Adey, you were Lucky - I have spent much of the last 3 months in the LA area and believe me LA is not the way to go - what time of day was it? I had to travel from Corona to North Hollywood a few times - 65 mile journey leaving at 6 a.m. you would expect about 1.5 to 2 hours max - no a 6 line freeway stationary at times and it took nearly 3.5 hours - you think the M25 is bad? Moving around LA is OK if you avoid 5.a.m. to 8 a.m towards the city and 2.pm. to 6.pm outbound, otherwise it is pot luck. I also went back along the 405 to LAX - a 40 mile journey took 2 hours. Give me the UK any day!
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
They don't have a tower at Heathrow any more? didn't know that.
Do they still have terminals?
...perhaps you could work there as a £80,000 p/a terminal co-ordinator instead
:rofl:
Foxholer
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'Improving' the road network will not improve congestion. Nor, in all likelihood the journey time. Such improvements only increase the throughput (volume of traffic). Traffic Congestion (on well used roads) is actually a function of people's tolerance. If you reduce the congestion by some means, more folk pour onto the roads - so the congestion is the same!
Improving the Rail Networks is a better way, provided the cost is reasonable! Getting more Freight onto the Rail Network would be a huge benefit imo!
MegaSteve
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They don't have a tower at Heathrow any more? didn't know that.
Do they still have terminals?
...perhaps you could work there as a £80,000 p/a terminal co-ordinator instead
Employment for a few...
That quite likely don't live in the area...
Anyway, gone a long way off topic now...
For the record Heathrow was just open heathland surrounded by mainly market gardens...
Oh and NATS is National Air Traffic Services which employed many locals before it moved away from the Heathrow area...
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FN2
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Struggling to see your point about NATS. They still deliver air traffic services at Heathrow and many other major airports in the UK and in Spain as well.
MegaSteve
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I agree but unlikely to happen for all sorts of reasons [mostly vested interests]...
Chiltern Line [which is route HS2 will follow in these parts] already has a fair amount of freight traffic... Judging by the trains I hear clattering through overnight...
Lived in the area all my life... Heart of suburban nimbyism... This is the first time ever I've put my name to a no campaign... All because of the loss of fantastic amenities to local communities... Not really close enough for it to impact on house value and I'll be long gone before any real work on it starts...
MegaSteve
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It was in West Drayton because of Heathrow and provided good employment for local people now its gone those jobs have gone with it... As I said originally... Heathrow was good for the area now I believe it isn't and the sooner its gone the better....
