Golf Cheats

[timhowe]

Why has it become more often that the monthly stableford is won with 45 points or more....I have been playing golf for some 40 years now and have only scored over 40 once (42) but that was and still is the round of my life.

I play in every comp I can and I encourage others to do the same. I would make it compulsory to play in at least 6 comps a year to maintain a valid “active” handicap.

My enthusiasm to play in comps is going down very fast I as will never win a comp on my legal “active” handicap of 13.

It’s a crying shame but what can we do about it.....???????

 

[G_Mulligan]

There is a very small minority that ruin it for everyone else. People who protect their handicaps during normal games/comps and then stick in a 45+ in a big board comp.

Some people say they are only cheating themselves but they are NOT they are cheating everyone who has paid to enter that comp.

 

[3offTheTee]

Sorry but I do not understand why this is headed golf cheats!

 

[chris661]

There is a minimum of three per year at the minute but personally I dont see why it can't be at least 12.

 

[elliottlale]

i dont think its 100% cheating! i am off 27.2 at the moment! started off at 27 and have risen 0.1 after each comp! however, only last week i shot a PB of 83!!last sat i shot 93 then on sunday i shot 109 (that was a really bad day!!!)
as ever, i am not consistant, but doesnt mean if everything came together in 1 round i wouldnt score high points!
its blatant cheating if you enter comps, then win, then play bad inbetween to increase you h/cap!!!

 

[daveyc2k2]

I can understand this but then sometimes the players are not to blame.

I recently joined a club and put in 3 cards oof 101, 95 and 84 on the par 71 course. It appears that our hcap secretary couldn't be bothered to calculate it properly and gave me a handicap of 24 (my middle card).

I played at the weekend and didn't play well at all, yet still managed 37 points. If I had played to an 18hcap I would have won the competition.

I have to admit I am embarassed about the position I am in, but I cannot do anything about it and would hope to not be labelled a cheat for something that isn't my fault.

 

[Richie13]

i agree its cheating, hell when i get my HC, imma do everything to get the damn thing as low as i can, personally i'd rather be playing better golf and hopefully be rewarded with consistency resulting in a win through practice and skill,

 

[chris661]

I can understand this but then sometimes the players are not to blame.

I recently joined a club and put in 3 cards oof 101, 95 and 84 on the par 71 course. It appears that our hcap secretary couldn't be bothered to calculate it properly and gave me a handicap of 24 (my middle card).

I played at the weekend and didn't play well at all, yet still managed 37 points. If I had played to an 18hcap I would have won the competition.

I have to admit I am embarassed about the position I am in, but I cannot do anything about it and would hope to not be labelled a cheat for something that isn't my fault.

But you never, you played to a 24 handicap which suggests that your handicap was about right when it was given to you

 

[daveyc2k2]

I can understand this but then sometimes the players are not to blame.

I recently joined a club and put in 3 cards oof 101, 95 and 84 on the par 71 course. It appears that our hcap secretary couldn't be bothered to calculate it properly and gave me a handicap of 24 (my middle card).

I played at the weekend and didn't play well at all, yet still managed 37 points. If I had played to an 18hcap I would have won the competition.

I have to admit I am embarassed about the position I am in, but I cannot do anything about it and would hope to not be labelled a cheat for something that isn't my fault.

But you never, you played to a 24 handicap which suggests that your handicap was about right when it was given to you

Yes I did, but in a round that I really didn't play well. But the chances are when I am playing regularly, I will be shooting much lower scores which I was doing until I couldn't play for 3 weeks.

It's just very embarassing when you par a hole for 4 points.

 

[bladeplayer]

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I have to admit I am embarassed about the position I am in, but I cannot do anything about it and would hope to not be labelled a cheat for something that isn't my fault.

[/QUOTE] dont think you will be labelled a cheat , bandit mayb , but as u say its not your fault , we have a few , every club has , it only becomes an issue when week in week out these guys shoot 32/33pts & get .1 back ,then come the big comps they are shooting 44/45pts or nett 61/62 if you go out & shoot your best & get down in ordinary weekly comps people dont frown on that as much ..

 

[chris661]

Fair enough but if you were playing of 18 you would have only scored 30 points gone up 0.1 and been moaning that you got a low handicap. The thing is it will balance itself out the you will be wishing you could remember what it was like to score 4 points for a par. I know I do

 

[daveyc2k2]

I can understand that, but for the time I have been playing I am probably closer to 17 or 18 hcap. I'm not moaning about it, but referring to the OP if I do have a good round, say another round of 84, would you then class me as a cheat because the hcap secretary gave me a 24 hcap not 13?

 

[pokerjoke]

Tim its a "crying shame" you have only ever scored over 40 points once in 40 years.
I suggest your handicap is wrong or your no good when a card is in your hand.
40 points imo is not difficult,i regulary score 40 points and like you i put every card in.
What you will find is a stableford comp is usually won by a player that hardly ever wins a medal comp,because he will always have 1 or 2 very bad holes.
But that wont effect his stableford comp quite as much.
You would never win a comp at my club without 40 or more points.
45 points is high but certainly not impossible,and is achievable off any handicap

 

[EZprophet]

It's often the handicap system that is to blame, not the players themselves.

ElliotLale's post is a perfect example for the point that I have always made that handicap competitions are hugely biased towards higher handicapped players. Within a week of each other Elliot has shot an 83 and a 109. In the thread the other day about consistancy in scoring I posted up my scores for the entire YEAR so far and my best was a 68 and my worst an 85. Thats only 17 shots in difference compared to Elliots 26.

What that means is that even if we both had completely accurate and correct handicaps for our abilities, he will still do much better in competitions because of the simple fact that his range of scores is bigger, meaning that his best score is going to be more shots better than his handicap than my best score is better than my handicap.

It does also mean that his worst score will be higher above his handicap than my worst score is over mine but that doesnt matter due to the fact that you only win prizes if youre at the top anyways.

That is why, in general, lower handicappers will finish in the middle of the pack in tournaments more often and higher handicappers will be more likely to finish at the top and the bottom of the leaderboards.

 

[Imurg]

The problem with people scoring 45+ points is that sooner or later everyone has a good day. Fragger, the other week, playing off 23 scored 29 points on the front 9. Playing off 9, the other week I scored 49 - ok not in competition but..

If you have a day when everything just clicks into place and works - are you a cheat? Are you a Bandit?

If it happens consistently then there is something wrong but a one-off score - anyone can do it.

So just because someone has scored 45+ points it doesn't automaticlly make them a Bandit.

 

[bluetoon]

Using stableford system for bigger club competitions is just crazy and asking for trouble. Why do so many clubs use this system for there medals???

 

[chris661]

Using stableford system for bigger club competitions is just crazy and asking for trouble. Why do so many clubs use this system for there medals???

I don't know. Ours has one stroke comp a month but every other comp is stableford. I think it will change as next years captain is a low man and wants many more stroke comps

 

[sev112]

...sooner or later everyone has a good day.
...

So just because someone has scored 45+ points it doesn't automaticlly make them a Bandit.

You are right

But, it woudl be interesting to know how often a 20+ handcapper shoots 40+ points in a competition compared to a single figure player. I do not have the stats, but i woudl hazard to guess that the former far outweigh the latter - i would be happy to be proved wrong if anyone has the data

 

[Imurg]

This year - all play - in 72 rounds I've scored 40+ 16 times.

 

[bluetoon]

This year - all play - in 72 rounds

72 rounds

I average about 15-20 competition rounds a year