SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I don't recall an answer to my specific example as it is something that it appears the orange order will be seeking, so this is something real.
Or is this something that you have no opinion on.
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I don't recall an answer to my specific example as it is something that it appears the orange order will be seeking, so this is something real.
Or is this something that you have no opinion on.
Foxholer
Blackballed
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That request wont be on the table, if it is there will be no coalition.
The DUP are not all crazed dinosaurs hell bent on most of the guff spouted about this past week. Our local guy is a decent man who doesnt mind getting his hands dirty in all aspects of improving the local area, sometimes upsetting the loyalist quarter. I voted for him though, not the DUP. He missed out on getting in narrowly but the gap between him and Lady Sylvia Herman (Indy, ex UUP) has closed right down no and Id bet money he overtakes her in the next election which will strengthen the party even more, whether that is a good thing or not.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Ok I see where you're coming from.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What happened to the UUP and SDLP? Has the collapse of the Assembly pushed folks hard into one camp or the other.
On the SDLP side John Hume and Seamus Mallon seemed to offer a slightly less republican position - and that seems to have gone - or maybe it's just got lost
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Yea SDLP, Alliance and UUP are nowhere to be seen now (given assembly is broken up currently). UUP tried to instruct voters to vote for UUP 1 and SDLP 2 in the last assembly election, political suicide.
This time round they (Alliance party ,SDLP and UUP) got zero seats which is a little shocking for some but it was coming. NI politics boils down to the same as the rest of the UK, the big 2 parties having the lions share, constant bitching at each other at every chance and if you look deep enough you'll find links to unsavouries.
This GE there were 18 NI seats for Westminister, DUP got 10, SF got 7 and Lady Hermon (North Down Constituency) 1.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Back in the bad old days (and surely to God we cannot forget the terrible pain and suffering of NI of these days) - the likes of Seamus Mallon, John Hume and David Trimble seemed to this young Glaswegian to talk a lot of sense.
What happens over the next 2yrs is so important - in fact I'd probably put Northern Ireland at the very top of my list to ensure the very best outcome - almost regardless of and, if needs be, over-riding the wishes of any Brextremists.
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
What are you asking me for, this is just silly now. I have made no post on the subject so I don't understand why you think I need to state an opinion
Why dont you put your question to everyone on the Forum if you are interested in the subject.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What are you asking me for, this is just silly now. I have made no post on the subject so I don't understand why you think I need to state an opinion
That's fine. I think you must be saying that there are some DUP demands that would make you want the Tories to refuse agreement with the DUP.
So for me - in the very unlikely event that Arlene Foster agrees to the request from the OO to put Drumcree on the negotiating table - I'd expect the Tories to refuse. And if it stayed there - to walk away.
That said - I think that specific scenario is VERY unlikely.
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
For crying out loud. I'm saying nothing, I will see what arrangements may come out of the talks and consider that. I see no point in prevaricating on it.
chippa1909
Head Pro
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You can't teach common sense though fella.
I think that voting comes down to the individuals circumstances, not a demographic. There will be some patterns but you simply cannot draw a person in by education level.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
You're thick were clever 
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bluewolf
Money List Winner
so you're telling someone what they're thinking!
Go on then, what number am I thinking right now?
Thats how ludicrous your post reads... unbelievable Jeff!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
It is no different IMO from asking the hypothetical question about whether or not Corbyn would hit the red button as a result of the UK being subject to a first strike attack. It is a hypothetical scenario - but one that has a likelihood ff actually coming about (albeit a very low probability). Plenty of folks have opinions on whether he or indeed they would do that.
The Orange Order have been pressing AF to put Drumcree on the negotiating table. It is a hypothetical scenario - but one that has a likelihood of actually coming about (albeit a very low probability). It is however not unreasonable to ask May a similar question to that asked of Corbyn. Were the hypothetical to come about - should Corbyn press the button?; should May walk away from the DUP?
If I 'take the 5th Amendment' and refuse to deny a misdemeanor, an implication that can be drawn is that I did it. If I don't state that I think that May should walk away - an implication that can be drawn is that I think that she need not. That's all.
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ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Isn't that stat mostly a reflection on the fact that older voters tend to vote Tory and younger voters tend to vote Labour? In the past most people left school and went into a trade or profession rather than going on to higher education. Now a much higher percentage of young people go to university and get degrees which is what that chart is showing.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Not really. All the stats from this election showed is that Tory voters statistically were more likely to be older and less well educated (not necessarily a combination of both) in terms of measuring it by educational levels. And Labour voters were statistically more likely to be younger and have a higher level of educational achievement (again not necessarily a combination of both). It is not saying all Tory voters are thick old people and all Labour voters are clever young people.
Back in the 70's, of a school year intake of over 300 only 5 went on to uni. The opportunities to go to uni were very limited. But there were a plethora of Polys and technical colleges. Those Polys and technical colleges have become universities, with a significantly higher number of different degree courses available.
Just because many of the current crop of young people have degrees doesn't make them better educated than older people. Also, there's various equivalency tables that show that a number of degrees available today are on a par with some HND's/HNC's from yesteryear.
Then there's the modern apprenticeships that in some fields are quite poor compared to the 4 year apprenticeships available from 30 years ago. You'd be amazed at the number of HND and degree qualified electronics techs and engineers I've put through our selection process who can't wire a 13 amp plug, even with the instruction sheet they are given.
However, youngsters nowadays seem more rounded and worldly wise. They certainly communicate better at interview.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I recall being told in mid-1970s when doing my O-levels and Highers and thinking 'what next?' - that about 5% of Scottish school children went to university.
