Ge 2017

[SocketRocket]

You are going to extreme lengths to avoid offering your opinion. No worries. I don't remember people being too reticent about offering opinions on JC's meetings with groups with terrorist links. Probably a completely different thing though :thup:

Maybe people did, I cant recall me having an opinion on it. You may be surprised by this but I dont hold opinions on everything.

 

[bluewolf]

Maybe people did, I cant recall me having an opinion on it. You may be surprised by this but I dont hold opinions on everything.

Cool. By the lack of responses from anyone else I'll have to accept that no one else has an opinion on this coalition either. Curiouser and curiouser. Maybe the forum is taking a turn towards maturity

 

[SocketRocket]

Cool. By the lack of responses from anyone else I'll have to accept that no one else has an opinion on this coalition either. Curiouser and curiouser. Maybe the forum is taking a turn towards maturity

I probably will have one when I understand what it is.

 

[bluewolf]

I probably will have one when I understand what it is.

That's never stopped anyone before

 

[SocketRocket]

That's never stopped anyone before

Fair comment

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well that was certainly was a good election to lose.
There was even speculation that Mayhem was deliberately trying to lose it.
Corbyn and Sturgeon can just sit on the sidelines and watch the disintegration of the UK unfold in front of them.

Long term losers Tories and UKIP.
Long term winners Socialist Labour. Jury is out on the SNP.
I am not unhappy happy with that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well that was certainly was a good election to lose.
There was even speculation that Mayhem was deliberately trying to lose it.
Corbyn and Sturgeon can just sit on the sidelines and watch the disintegration of the UK unfold in front of them.

Long term losers Tories and UKIP.
Long term winners Socialist Labour. Jury is out on the SNP.
I am not unhappy happy with that.

Sturgeon and her party lost a great deal of votes and seats so clearly in the losers area and I expect will lose further seats at the next election as well.

Maybe Sturgeon will realise now that a great deal amount of Scots are sick of hearing the referendum claims from her.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I probably will have one when I understand what it is.

Do you understand the issues and trouble that historically surrounded the Portadown/Drumcree Orange Walk - and hence why it was banned. You will at least remember the chaos and violence surrounding it even if you did not understand the issues.

So what are your thoughts on the DUP taking on board the Orange Order request for lifting of the ban to be part of the negotiations with the Tories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...h-negotiations-with-theresa-may-a7785026.html

 

[FairwayDodger]

Cool. By the lack of responses from anyone else I'll have to accept that no one else has an opinion on this coalition either. Curiouser and curiouser. Maybe the forum is taking a turn towards maturity

FWIW I think it's a bad idea and one that will probably come back to haunt the tories for years....

 

[User62651]

Even the Torygraph saying May needs to tread very very carefully with the proposed DUP tie in.

By all accounts Arlene Foster is a tough cookie, an old hand in negotiating and must have a list of demands for PM, some of which must be tricky for May to meet and be seen to stay impartial to NI politics at the same time.

Anyone think they know what the demands for assistance from DUP will be and will they even make a deal?
Wouldn't surprise me if the DUP walk away if an open border and freedom of movement arrangement with Ireland (an EU member state) is not guaranteed left intact as brexit talks start. If that open border is left in place how can there be other EU/UK borders that can be closed as hard brexiteers want? Cant see EU agreeing that, so that will leave us out of EU with no deal and EU nationals free to come to UK by travelling through Ireland. How do you stop that - border passport checks either on Ireland/NI border or on UK mainland airports and ferry terminals handling traffic from Ireland??

Complicated issues to resolve.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sturgeon and her party lost a great deal of votes and seats so clearly in the losers area and I expect will lose further seats at the next election as well.

Maybe Sturgeon will realise now that a great deal amount of Scots are sick of hearing the referendum claims from her.

Depends on what you call 'a great deal amount of Scots'

Going into Indyref1 The SNP had 30% support and a handful of MP's
They now have 40%+ support and 35 MP's.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Depends on what you call 'a great deal amount of Scots'

Going into Indyref1 The SNP had 30% support and a handful of MP's
They now have 40%+ support and 35 MP's.

How much did they have at the last election.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Depends on what you call 'a great deal amount of Scots'

Going into Indyref1 The SNP had 30% support and a handful of MP's
They now have 40%+ support and 35 MP's.

It's running round in circles though isn't it, all Political parties have support that rises and falls, sometimes because of themselves, sometimes because of the other parties.

You can play statistics all day and nobody and everybody will be correct.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How much did they have at the last election.

The 2015 Election was a freak result on the back of Cameron introducing EVEL straight after Indyref1.

I have given my take on the election results earlier in this post.

You have to separate a Westminster election from a Scottish Independence referendum.......they are nothing like the same thing.

No multiple choice tactical voting in a Referendum......just a straight Yes or NO

 

[User62651]

The 2015 Election was a freak result on the back of Cameron introducing EVEL straight after Indyref1.

I have given my take on the election results earlier in this post.

You have to separate a Westminster election from a Scottish Independence referendum.......they are nothing like the same thing.

No multiple choice tactical voting in a Referendum......just a straight Yes or NO

Also important to note independence wasn't in the 2015 SNP GE manifesto (was indirectly in 2017) so people weren't voting for independence, it was more devolution being pushed in 2015. Definitely an anti Cameron/anti-austerity vote and punishment of Labour/LibDems for Tory collusion in coalition and indryref1 'better together' campaign.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you understand the issues and trouble that historically surrounded the Portadown/Drumcree Orange Walk - and hence why it was banned. You will at least remember the chaos and violence surrounding it even if you did not understand the issues.

So what are your thoughts on the DUP taking on board the Orange Order request for lifting of the ban to be part of the negotiations with the Tories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...h-negotiations-with-theresa-may-a7785026.html

I thought my reply(ies) were quite clear.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Depends on what you call 'a great deal amount of Scots'

Going into Indyref1 The SNP had 30% support and a handful of MP's
They now have 40%+ support and 35 MP's.

In reality they got 36.9% of the vote.

 

[Old Skier]

In reality they got 36.9% of the vote.

Your nor highliting another maths problem are you.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In reality they got 36.9% of the vote.

36.9% in a Westminster election.
40%+ in the Independence polls.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Even the Torygraph saying May needs to tread very very carefully with the proposed DUP tie in.

By all accounts Arlene Foster is a tough cookie, an old hand in negotiating and must have a list of demands for PM, some of which must be tricky for May to meet and be seen to stay impartial to NI politics at the same time.

Anyone think they know what the demands for assistance from DUP will be and will they even make a deal?
Wouldn't surprise me if the DUP walk away if an open border and freedom of movement arrangement with Ireland (an EU member state) is not guaranteed left intact as brexit talks start. If that open border is left in place how can there be other EU/UK borders that can be closed as hard brexiteers want? Cant see EU agreeing that, so that will leave us out of EU with no deal and EU nationals free to come to UK by travelling through Ireland. How do you stop that - border passport checks either on Ireland/NI border or on UK mainland airports and ferry terminals handling traffic from Ireland??

Complicated issues to resolve.

I don't think any proposed internal passport control would get far with the DUP. I imagine that this will be one of the key pre-condition demands that the DUP make.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/fo...l-uk-passport-controls-after-brexit-1-7652277