Ge 2017

[Kellfire]

That is why I added the point about NI elections. I DO understand that. Is there not another party in NI that has similar views but would actually represent the constituents at Westminster?

SDLP but they have since slunk into obscurity.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thanks. So presumably the only other option is entirely unpalatable. Not a great situation.

 

[Tashyboy]

Can someone explain why people vote for Sinn Fein when their mp's don't go to Westminster? Totally wasted vote.

I understand why in NI elections but in a GE it seems entirely pointless.

And as bro in law pointed out. Seeing as they will never go into H of P and will never vote would Terry's Tories not have a majority anyway.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Shows how low the political landscape of the nation has gone when the DUP have a say in then running of the country

Such a pathetic state of affairs when there is not one single person worthy of leading our nation.

We laughed at the state of the US with Trump , expect most are laughing at us now

What is it that makes a person worthy to lead our nation?

That's as arrogant as some of SR's posts, what if Corbyn is a man of his word? He got the backing of a lot of people, what if May does get the right Brexit deal after the backing she got, are all voters stupid/ignorant/clueless

Did you vote this time or spoil your paper and if you voted was the leader of that party unworthy?

You have a very low opinion of democracy.

Come on guys, you are both politically on the same side and this is a political thread. Just enjoy the moment to take the mick out of the strong and stable Tories.

I see TMays 2 advisers have resigned under threat from the 1922 committee (named after the year most Tories want to take us back to by the way). Strong and stable??? Making deals with the DUP, leader in utter denial as her hard drive crashed when when she tried to be a bit contrite, a dead (wo)man walking in the political sense, in fighting erupting, Brexit talks to start very soon. What's not to like? (well apart from the fact that they have brought this all on themselves and the country will suffer for it)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Come on guys, you are both politically on the same side and this is a political thread. Just enjoy the moment to take the mick out of the strong and stable Tories.

I see TMays 2 advisers have resigned under threat from the 1922 committee (named after the year most Tories want to take us back to by the way). Strong and stable??? Making deals with the DUP, leader in utter denial as her hard drive crashed when when she tried to be a bit contrite, a dead (wo)man walking in the political sense, in fighting erupting, Brexit talks to start very soon. What's not to like? (well apart from the fact that they have brought this all on themselves and the country will suffer for it)

Don't worry mate LiverpoolNed has me on ignore and can't see my posts

Those 2 falling on their swords once again saves slippery May a little bit and shifts the blame, I'd like to see her go quickly, but the longer she denies any responsibility the worse it's going to get.

 

[Old Skier]

The silence from a number of normal posters is deafening :rofl:

On the piss in Greece but although I personally condemn any terrorist action nobody can compare the gangster actions of the paramilitary groups in the same way as the 100,s of women and children the IRA killed and are still targeting. Let's put things into context although it might not suit the argument of a few on here.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

On the piss in Greece but although I personally condemn any terrorist action nobody can compare the gangster actions of the paramilitary groups in the same way as the 100,s of women and children the IRA killed and are still targeting. Let's put things into context although it might not suit the argument of a few on here.

The murder this week in the supermarket is linked to a loyalist feud, JC was, rightly, getting stick for stuff 20-30yrs ago.

There's no context to any murder, it's all wrong and you'd hope all our politicians would move away from it, not towards it as TM has

 

[richy]

The murder this week in the supermarket is linked to a loyalist feud, JC was, rightly, getting stick for stuff 20-30yrs ago.

There's no context to any murder, it's all wrong and you'd hope all our politicians would move away from it, not towards it as TM has

The murder in the supermarket car park in front of his 3 year old son? Just gangster actions

 

[drdel]

What is Hard to understand.

2 main parties and a few others. So stats say about 40% each by random choice. One of the main parties says you spending too much and your debt is too high so we will need to get control meaning life is going to get more expense.

Other main contender, with worse odds and little chance of needing to implement promises says we will make life great don't worry about tomorrow.

Guess which way short sighted debt ridden Mr and Mrs Average votes.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What is Hard to understand.

2 main parties and a few others. So stats say about 40% each by random choice. One of the main parties says you spending too much and your debt is too high so we will need to get control meaning life is going to get more expense.

Other main contender, with worse odds and little chance of needing to implement promises says we will make life great don't worry about tomorrow.

Guess which way short sighted debt ridden Mr and Mrs Average votes.

Probably fed up with the lies of the "we're all in this together party" and seeing the rich get richer.

Or having comments made about their priorites and intelligence.

Maybe if one of these parties hadn't decided to risk it all less than 2 years into a 5yr term we wouldn't be asking these questions.

 

[SocketRocket]

Probably fed up with the lies of the "we're all in this together party" and seeing the rich get richer.

Or having comments made about their priorites and intelligence.

Maybe if one of these parties hadn't decided to risk it all less than 2 years into a 5yr term we wouldn't be asking these questions.

You really seem to be up tight with the Tories, almost paranoid about them. Calling people 'Liars' is a rather a serious accusation and one I never use. It's possible to find people in Politics making exaggerated claims and being economical with the truth and this happens in every political party and throughout the world. I know you will probably suggest that I am the pot calling the kettle black but I am not as cynical and uptight as many of you on this Forum.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You really seem to be up tight with the Tories, almost paranoid about them. Calling people 'Liars' is a rather a serious accusation and one I never use. It's possible to find people in Politics making exaggerated claims and being economical with the truth and this happens in every political party and throughout the world. I know you will probably suggest that I am the pot calling the kettle black but I am not as cynical and uptight as many of you on this Forum.

Before I answer, have you got your sensible head on or would we be both wasting our time?

 

[SocketRocket]

Before I answer, have you got your sensible head on or would we be both wasting our time?

I'm being serious here. If someone changes their mind about something it doesn't make them a liar, we all must have had a change of view about something at times. I don't believe much Corbyn has said he would do in his manifesto but I would not dare to suggest he is a 'Liar', that word is getting overused and a is poor reflection of peoples attitudes.

 

[Hobbit]

Probably fed up with the lies of the "we're all in this together party" and seeing the rich get richer.

Or having comments made about their priorites and intelligence.

Maybe if one of these parties hadn't decided to risk it all less than 2 years into a 5yr term we wouldn't be asking these questions.

I don't mind if the rich getting richer, providing we all get richer. Up until this last year we were the 2nd best performing economy in Europe yet food banks increased. Benefits for the disabled decreased.

Apart from a few very bright politicians in each party, most of them are clueless about what the man on the street faces.

As for some of the comments appearing about the young, the old etc... utterly disgraceful and beneath contempt. It's up to each political party to pitch something the electorate feel is needed. If they can't do that it's their fault, not the electorate's.

However, we get the society we deserve. If we can't make our govt accountable we're to blame.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm being serious here. If someone changes their mind about something it doesn't make them a liar, we all must have had a change of view about something at times. I don't believe much Corbyn has said he would do in his manifesto but I would not dare to suggest he is a 'Liar', that word is getting overused and a poor reflection of peoples attitudes.

Yet how many times has JC been accussed of lying about his mtgs with the IRA?

Anyway, I am uptight and extremely annoyed with the Tories, I voted to leave the EU and since the vote all I kept seeing and reading was the remainers basically told to shut up and accept it.

We trigger Article 50 and TM says no to a GE, good, let's get on with it and look after the Country, then she calls a GE, I didn't and don't accept it was for any other reason than they saw the chance to crush Labour.

We have then lurched from u-turn to u-turn and the tories in disarray, very rarely telling us they were the best for us, the best analogy I can use was going to buy a second hand car and the car salesman slagging off the dealership next door rather than convincing me about a particular car.

Then the result and rather than hold their/her hands up to the mess were in, all I'm seeing is them blaming everyone else, the youth/old/JC and running to the DUP to get a deal.

We now risk ours and our childrens future, Brexit, further elections, new leaders, it's a shambles and it's a shambles for one reason, Theresa May.

Vent over, please be honest, are you genuinely happy with the situation?

 

[Hobbit]

Yet how many times has JC been accussed of lying about his mtgs with the IRA?

Anyway, I am uptight and extremely annoyed with the Tories, I voted to leave the EU and since the vote all I kept seeing and reading was the remainers basically told to shut up and accept it.

We trigger Article 50 and TM says no to a GE, good, let's get on with it and look after the Country, then she calls a GE, I didn't and don't accept it was for any other reason than they saw the chance to crush Labour.

We have then lurched from u-turn to u-turn and the tories in disarray, very rarely telling us they were the best for us, the best analogy I can use was going to buy a second hand car and the car salesman slagging off the dealership next door rather than convincing me about a particular car.

Then the result and rather than hold their/her hands up to the mess were in, all I'm seeing is them blaming everyone else, the youth/old/JC and running to the DUP to get a deal.

We now risk ours and our childrens future, Brexit, further elections, new leaders, it's a shambles and it's a shambles for one reason, Theresa May.

Vent over, please be honest, are you genuinely happy with the situation?

I'm bl00dy not!!

My big concern is an alliance with the DUP might jeopardise the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yet how many times has JC been accussed of lying about his mtgs with the IRA?

Anyway, I am uptight and extremely annoyed with the Tories, I voted to leave the EU and since the vote all I kept seeing and reading was the remainers basically told to shut up and accept it.

We trigger Article 50 and TM says no to a GE, good, let's get on with it and look after the Country, then she calls a GE, I didn't and don't accept it was for any other reason than they saw the chance to crush Labour.

We have then lurched from u-turn to u-turn and the tories in disarray, very rarely telling us they were the best for us, the best analogy I can use was going to buy a second hand car and the car salesman slagging off the dealership next door rather than convincing me about a particular car.

Then the result and rather than hold their/her hands up to the mess were in, all I'm seeing is them blaming everyone else, the youth/old/JC and running to the DUP to get a deal.

We now risk ours and our childrens future, Brexit, further elections, new leaders, it's a shambles and it's a shambles for one reason, Theresa May.

Vent over, please be honest, are you genuinely happy with the situation?

No I'm not happy, I would much prefer a strong majority with the Conservatives and Brexit becoming a reality without all the calls for second referendums and politicians trying to frustrate the process.

I have never called Corbyn a 'Liar' even though he is the antipathy of everything I dislike in Politics. OK May has changed her mind on some issues but what PM hasn't, I think she is being attacked unfairly in may instances. OK as PM she has to take the flack but for me she will do for now, I guess I am entitled to think that way.

Regarding the way people keep criticizsng the Government for Food Banks, the NHS and Austerity, what do they expect when the country is in the amount of current debt. The Tories have increased funding to the NHS year on year, the cuts that have been made are to reduce waste so more can be put into clinical care. Regarding Food Banks, they are a relatively new thing and how can anyone complain about the good job they do but if they had been put in place at any time in our history they would have been used just the same, they are not a reflection on the Tories being nasty. We have to reduce the deficit and eventually pay off the debt and we cannot leave it to future generations, austerity is a sad fact of life and for any government to suggest we should return to higher levels of state spending is not looking after the younger generations but harnessing it with what could be potentially be the specter of Greece in the UK.

So, am I happy. No, im not but probably for different reasons.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No I'm not happy, I would much prefer a strong majority with the Conservatives and Brexit becoming a reality without all the calls for second referendums and politicians trying to frustrate the process.

I have never called Corbyn a 'Liar' even though he is the antipathy of everything I dislike in Politics. OK May has changed her mind on some issues but what PM hasn't, I think she is being attacked unfairly in may instances. OK as PM she has to take the flack but for me she will do for now, I guess I am entitled to think that way.

Regarding the way people keep criticizsng the Government for Food Banks, the NHS and Austerity, what do they expect when the country is in the amount of current debt. The Tories have increased funding to the NHS year on year, the cuts that have been made are to reduce waste so more can be put into clinical care. Regarding Food Banks, they are a relatively new thing and how can anyone complain about the good job they do but if they had been put in place at any time in our history they would have been used just the same, they are not a reflection on the Tories being nasty. We have to reduce the deficit and eventually pay off the debt and we cannot leave it to future generations, austerity is a sad fact of life and for any government to suggest we should return to higher levels of state spending is not looking after the younger generations but harnessing it with what could be potentially be the specter of Greece in the UK.

So, am I happy. No, im not but probably for different reasons.

I genuinely don't know if you read my post apart from the liar bit.

Who mentioned NHS and food banks, I've not once criticised the job the tories were doing, my gripes are from mid April onwards apart from the Brexit point.

She had over 3 years guaranteed, she had a majority Tory Government, she risked it for vanity, 3 more years of tackling austerity and the country had no choice but to go along.

If you thought politicians were trying to frustrate the process before, god help us in the near future!

 

[Hobbit]

No I'm not happy, I would much prefer a strong majority with the Conservatives and Brexit becoming a reality without all the calls for second referendums and politicians trying to frustrate the process.

I have never called Corbyn a 'Liar' even though he is the antipathy of everything I dislike in Politics. OK May has changed her mind on some issues but what PM hasn't, I think she is being attacked unfairly in may instances. OK as PM she has to take the flack but for me she will do for now, I guess I am entitled to think that way.

Regarding the way people keep criticizsng the Government for Food Banks, the NHS and Austerity, what do they expect when the country is in the amount of current debt. The Tories have increased funding to the NHS year on year, the cuts that have been made are to reduce waste so more can be put into clinical care. Regarding Food Banks, they are a relatively new thing and how can anyone complain about the good job they do but if they had been put in place at any time in our history they would have been used just the same, they are not a reflection on the Tories being nasty. We have to reduce the deficit and eventually pay off the debt and we cannot leave it to future generations, austerity is a sad fact of life and for any government to suggest we should return to higher levels of state spending is not looking after the younger generations but harnessing it with what could be potentially be the specter of Greece in the UK.

So, am I happy. No, im not but probably for different reasons.

Why does the deficit have to come down by almost £15bn a year? That's my gripe with the Tories. Why couldn't it have come down by £7bn a year, bearing in mind the NHS shortfall is £8bn? That's simplistic but that's my drift.

The NHS has had an increase year on year under the Tories... Now you're on ground I know exceptionally well. Short version, no it hasn't. Long version, there is a 6% cost saving/efficiency drive applied each year. They give a funding minus the 6%. Add to that the advances in healthcare and you now need more than inflation. And then there's the payback for the PFI's... the NHS is absolutely on its ar$e. Ann Widdicome put it very clearly. A cross party, honest review is needed, then proper funding applied.

Food banks; As part of a national charity board, for which the time is paid for by the company I work for before anyone gets giddy, I know food banks inside out and backside first. The growth in food banks, when we have an almost adequate benefits dept, is in the main down to cut backs in DWP staffing levels. They can't process claims quick enough, and actively give out food bank numbers to claimants to cover the delay. More recently this also covers elec and gas bills being covered by FB's.

In my view, whilst the Tory line is right the cuts have been too deep and too swiftly applied.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Shameful hypocrisy by the Tories. After going on during previous election about the danger of a Labour coalition with the SNP with a Labour Westminster government the puppet of Nicola Sturgeon - and, this time around, Tory warnings of a Coalition of Chaos - we have both at once with the Tories - a Tory Westminster government the puppet of Arlene Foster in their own Coalition of Chaos - or should that be a Deal of Desperation

And so the DUP become part of the honest broker Westminster government to negotiate NI assembly process between Sinn Fein and...the DUP

You couldn't make it up - and you think the shambles can't give more and then the Sunday Times tomorrow is telling us that senior Tories are encouraging the £350m Man to challenge May for the Tory Party leadership - and become PM. Holy moly....