Ge 2017

[SocketRocket]

How can you trust the tories with our security, all the security services have been slashed under their watch, we now have an Army that would comfortably fit into wembley stadium, a Navy with fewer ships and an Air Force that hires in Aeroplanes to move anywhere, add to that the 20,000 less coppers since 2010 and I really don't get this trust you have in them.

There is a very big program underway to supply new ships to the Navy and aricraft to the RAF and Navy, the Army is probably better equipped now than they have been for many years. Are you suggesting all was great seven years ago? Much that has happened is a reflection of what has been done in the past. It also amuses me how people make comments about how we cant be the policeman of the World, are no longer a World power, should not get ourselves involved in foreign affairs but then complain the Government has not given us a powerful armed service.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There is a very big program underway to supply new ships to the Navy and aricraft to the RAF and Navy, the Army is probably better equipped now than they have been for many years. Are you suggesting all was great seven years ago? Much that has happened is a reflection of what has been done in the past. It also amuses me how people make comments about how we cant be the policeman of the World, are no longer a World power, should not get ourselves involved in foreign affairs but then complain the Government has not given us a powerful armed service.

It amuses me also when people make those comments about foreign and world affairs.

No matter what new programmes are underway it's based on a smaller Armed Forces, it's not the forces personnel who are making the decisions to be over stretched by over commitment, morale in some parts are lower than they've ever been.

The better equipment has come about by succesive governments being embarrassed by sending us on operations ill equiped.

I am certainly not claiming Corbyn or Labour would be any better, blaming or questioning them is simply deflection, only 1 party recently and currently have the responsibility and that's the tories.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Last night it showed me the excellent reaction to such attrocities of the Police, she accussed the police of scaremongering when they claimed they wouldn't be able to cope and we'd see troops on the streets, last week we witnessed another u turn when troops deployed on to the streets, we can't keep going back and blaming labour, the tories have had 7 years, 7 years of reducing the Police and Armed Forces, 7 years of rise in crime, today "enough is enough" why wasn't it enough after Westminster or Lee Rigby.

I don't think it is fair to describe the troops on our streets as a U turn.
It was in response to the security level being raised to critical, which is not Her call, it is the call of the independent body and is non political.
The level has reduced back to severe and the troops have gone back to duties, although personally, I'd have kept the critical level till after the GE.

 

[Old Skier]

the Army is probably better equipped now than they have been for many years.

Not really but I did notice the word probably.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I don't think it is fair to describe the troops on our streets as a U turn.
It was in response to the security level being raised to critical, which is not Her call, it is the call of the independent body and is non political.
The level has reduced back to severe and the troops have gone back to duties, although personally, I'd have kept the critical level till after the GE.

She was Home Secretary when she mocked the Police a little over 2 years ago, now as the PM she has the final say on JTAC recomendations.

There's a lot more that goes on keeping the alert state at critical than simply troops on the street, it's not sustainable for long periods.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not really but I did notice the word probably.

I used probably as I can only use the information I read. If you have better knowledge then please explain.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Last night it showed me the excellent reaction to such attrocities of the Police, she accussed the police of scaremongering when they claimed they wouldn't be able to cope and we'd see troops on the streets, last week we witnessed another u turn when troops deployed on to the streets, we can't keep going back and blaming labour, the tories have had 7 years, 7 years of reducing the Police and Armed Forces, 7 years of rise in crime, today "enough is enough" why wasn't it enough after Westminster or Lee Rigby.

Like like like thumbs up etc etc...

 

[Hacker Khan]

It amuses me also when people make those comments about foreign and world affairs.

No matter what new programmes are underway it's based on a smaller Armed Forces, it's not the forces personnel who are making the decisions to be over stretched by over commitment, morale in some parts are lower than they've ever been.

The better equipment has come about by succesive governments being embarrassed by sending us on operations ill equiped.

I am certainly not claiming Corbyn or Labour would be any better, blaming or questioning them is simply deflection, only 1 party recently and currently have the responsibility and that's the tories.

This man is on fire today.....

 

[Hobbit]

How can you trust the tories with our security, all the security services have been slashed under their watch, we now have an Army that would comfortably fit into wembley stadium, a Navy with fewer ships and an Air Force that hires in Aeroplanes to move anywhere, add to that the 20,000 less coppers since 2010 and I really don't get this trust you have in them.

The aftermath of Manchester and London last night would indicate that our security forces are spot on point.

again I agree that in a perfect world, there would be more of each section, but cuts had to be made everywhere to try and sort out the financial mess that Labour left.
Armed forces etc are an easy target,as they are expensive but again I agree that you do not want to cut them any more .

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. A deficit far greater than Greece, and a GDP heading in the same direction needed drastic action. Were the cuts too deep and too quick? Could the Lee Rigby, Westminster, Manchester, London Bridge incidents have been predicted? No.

Would any govt, knowing those, and Paris, Berlin and Nice were on the horizon made those cuts? No.

Putting troops on the streets was wrong. They're not trained as police. The behind the wire guarding of places like Westminster I can agree with, but walking the streets... it was needed but I'll never agree with it. And yes, the Police cuts went too deep.

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't think it is fair to describe the troops on our streets as a U turn.
It was in response to the security level being raised to critical, which is not Her call, it is the call of the independent body and is non political.
The level has reduced back to severe and the troops have gone back to duties, although personally, I'd have kept the critical level till after the GE.

^^^^^^^ This.

 

[richy]

How can you trust the tories with our security, all the security services have been slashed under their watch, we now have an Army that would comfortably fit into wembley stadium, a Navy with fewer ships and an Air Force that hires in Aeroplanes to move anywhere, add to that the 20,000 less coppers since 2010 and I really don't get this trust you have in them.

:thup:

 

[richy]

She was Home Secretary when she mocked the Police a little over 2 years ago, now as the PM she has the final say on JTAC recomendations.

There's a lot more that goes on keeping the alert state at critical than simply troops on the street, it's not sustainable for long periods.

Scaremongering was the term she used.

 

[richy]

I don't think it is fair to describe the troops on our streets as a U turn.
It was in response to the security level being raised to critical, which is not Her call, it is the call of the independent body and is non political.
The level has reduced back to severe and the troops have gone back to duties, although personally, I'd have kept the critical level till after the GE.

The troops were deployed because the police have been stripped bare. Her doing!!!!

 

[Old Skier]

I used probably as I can only use the information I read. If you have better knowledge then please explain.

1. Always best not to believe everything that you read.
2. As someone who regularly mixes with an visits a front line Regiment and can only say my knowledge is gained from what I see and hear, but there again, squaddies are always moaning about something.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

1. Always best not to believe everything that you read.
2. As someone who regularly mixes with an visits a front line Regiment and can only say my knowledge is gained from what I see and hear, but there again, squaddies are always moaning about something.

:thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You rip May for her miss spokes but don't highlight any of Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell miss spokes. They're equally as bad.

Did Corbyn unequivocally say he approved of the shoot to kill employed in London last night? No he didn't. Do I trust him with the security of this country? No, absolutely not.

All 4 politicians miss speak but there's only one I trust with our security.

If May insisting that the policy always included a cap when it clearly didn't is not a fib then what is it? Yet she stands there all brass neck and insists that - oh yes - there was always a cap - we just forgot to mention it in our manifesto and when I launched the manifesto.

This is our PM - the woman we are supposed to put our trust in over Brexit - when she has either done a complete U-turn on that or was again simply fibbing before the vote. When she became Tory Leader she sold herself on being straight with us - when she is being anything but. No costings in their manifesto and nothing substantial being discussed on Brexit. For goodness sake - at least we should get to know what No Deal might mean. But again - I suspect that there is no No Deal - it being just not realistic and too damaging - and just another tale she is spinning to satisfy the UKIP wing of her party.

 

[SocketRocket]

If May insisting that the policy always included a cap when it clearly didn't is not a fib then what is it? Yet she stands there all brass neck and insists that - oh yes - there was always a cap - we just forgot to mention it in our manifesto and when I launched the manifesto.

This is our PM - the woman we are supposed to put our trust in over Brexit - when she has either done a complete U-turn on that or was again simply fibbing before the vote. When she became Tory Leader she sold herself on being straight with us - when she is being anything but. No costings in their manifesto and nothing substantial being discussed on Brexit. For goodness sake - at least we should get to know what No Deal might mean. But again - I suspect that there is no No Deal - it being just not realistic and too damaging - and just another tale she is spinning to satisfy the UKIP wing of her party.

She said they were putting out a Green Paper on it. You do know how that works, do you?

 

[SocketRocket]

The troops were deployed because the police have been stripped bare. Her doing!!!!

Some of you are just making it up. When the security level becomes 'Critical' then Troops are put on the street to back up the police. What is it about that you find difficult to understand? When the level was lowered they were removed.

 

[Hobbit]

If May insisting that the policy always included a cap when it clearly didn't is not a fib then what is it? Yet she stands there all brass neck and insists that - oh yes - there was always a cap - we just forgot to mention it in our manifesto and when I launched the manifesto.

This is our PM - the woman we are supposed to put our trust in over Brexit - when she has either done a complete U-turn on that or was again simply fibbing before the vote. When she became Tory Leader she sold herself on being straight with us - when she is being anything but. No costings in their manifesto and nothing substantial being discussed on Brexit. For goodness sake - at least we should get to know what No Deal might mean. But again - I suspect that there is no No Deal - it being just not realistic and too damaging - and just another tale she is spinning to satisfy the UKIP wing of her party.

You seem to have missed my point. All of them fib!

I see Corbyn has learned the art of the U-turn. He's gone from not supporting shoot to kill to now saying he'll support the police in any level of force they deem appropriate.

 

[shagster]

Some of you are just making it up. When the security level becomes 'Critical' then Troops are put on the street to back up the police. What is it about that you find difficult to understand? When the level was lowered they were removed.

That's a bit rich from the editor of the daily mail