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Not 100% sure of my facts on devolved welfare.

Is it not the case that if May introduces her draconian welfare bills to England and Wales it will force people in those countries who have family members with long term illness to consider moving to Scotland.

Perhaps she has a cunning plan.
 
Phil, I think you are quite correct. The May manifesto was bleak, Labour are offering milk and honey. Forget how to pay for it, they are going to attract votes from those who are just fed up. TM's arrogance may cost her some seats. The Tories need to start the week well or momentum may start to build against them. Their current argument of purely being nasty to JC is starting to look thin and bullying. They need to get some positive messages out.
 
Britain Elects poll has the same results as You Gov.
Tories lead cut to 9%, momentum is moving fast.

What a great joy a hung Parliament would be with the only Green MP holding the balance........Strong and Stable.;)
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Phil, I think you are quite correct. The May manifesto was bleak, Labour are offering milk and honey. Forget how to pay for it, they are going to attract votes from those who are just fed up. TM's arrogance may cost her some seats. The Tories need to start the week well or momentum may start to build against them. Their current argument of purely being nasty to JC is starting to look thin and bullying. They need to get some positive messages out.
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Seems like a big own goal by the Tories although I would suggest the fuel payments for most on here is a big red herring and most said in the past they didn't see the point of some people getting it. All they have to do is state who it will affect.

Labour will cost the country a fortune but the majority of those that will vote Labour wont be doing the numbers and will not care.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Phil, I think you are quite correct. The May manifesto was bleak, Labour are offering milk and honey. Forget how to pay for it, they are going to attract votes from those who are just fed up. TM's arrogance may cost her some seats. The Tories need to start the week well or momentum may start to build against them. Their current argument of purely being nasty to JC is starting to look thin and bullying. They need to get some positive messages out.
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This exactly!

They (Tories) have one song and they've sung it far too often. What are they actually proposing to do other than make personal attacks on JC etc?

It's the politics of the tabloids and gutter press and the country deserves better.
 
According to FT the Dementia Tax was a last minute addition to the Tory manifesto.
Most cabinet minister were unaware of it's inclusion.
Wow.
The 'lose this Election because we are stuffed by Brexit theory' grows.:(
 
FairwayDodger said:
Seems a bit unfair that the SNP got two representatives in the Scottish leader's debate. Didn't stop Nicola getting a bit of a kicking though.
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Or you could argue that the Unionist Alliance had three representitives;)

Patrick Harvey was the only winner......he actually answered the questions.
The rest were there usual shouty selves, total waste of time.
We should have had the Westminster MP's on Muddle, Wee Angus etc.

Sorry that should have been four representatives .I was dismissing the UKIP creature.
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
Phil, I think you are quite correct. The May manifesto was bleak, Labour are offering milk and honey. Forget how to pay for it, they are going to attract votes from those who are just fed up.
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To be fair, out of the Labour and Tory manifestos, only the Labour one was actually costed.

People may disagree with their plans to raise taxes on the wealthy, but that is their costed plan. I think the "the rich will up sticks" argument is overplayed - there are plenty of places with better tax arrangements than the UK for these people but they choose to stay here.

As for the Tories - a completely uncosted manifesto. No indication of how they will pay for leaving the single market or the reduction in immigration. It's amazing the media hasn't picked up on this more. If it was Labour I imagine it would be front page news.
 
jp5, you are correct in that it was costed. My slightly flippant remark relates to the fact there are a lot of things have to go their way in terms of the economy, Brexit etc for the money to be there to work. The reality is they will be a long way short and they will need to borrow heavily. That is my reading of it. They are however offering something and that may well be starting to appeal to people who are fed up with feeling left out or forgotten.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
jp5, you are correct in that it was costed. My slightly flippant remark relates to the fact there are a lot of things have to go their way in terms of the economy, Brexit etc for the money to be there to work. The reality is they will be a long way short and they will need to borrow heavily. That is my reading of it. They are however offering something and that may well be starting to appeal to people who are fed up with feeling left out or forgotten.
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Not young people apparently, at least a quarter under 30s unregistered and with today last day to register still 7 million of all ages have chosen not to register (subject to a last minute rush). Apathy always a big factor sadly.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Very interesting how this weekend had seen a turnaround in the polls.
Labours manifesto on the face of it looks highly attractive, compared to the rather glum Tory one, which as a blue Tory leaves me a bit cold.
Their Uni fees policy will be highly attractive especially to younger voters

BUT how are they going to pay for it all? Massively increasing corporation tax will generate a lot of money, but that is coming at a time when Brexit is happening when we want to keep business here and not let it drift abroad.

I fear that this tax increase will have a negative affect on the economy in terms of corporate investment, jobs R & D etc
You will see more big companies moving to Eire where the rate is 12.5%

Think that the public is totally fed up with however many years of austerity it has been, they need to be cut some slack and they ain't seeing it in the Tory camp.

This could get very interesting indeed
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Though much in the manifestos will have to be kicked into the long grass if we don't get a decent deal from the EU and especially if we have to resort to the No Deal nuclear option
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Or you could argue that the Unionist Alliance had three representitives;)

Patrick Harvey was the only winner......he actually answered the questions.
The rest were there usual shouty selves, total waste of time.
We should have had the Westminster MP's on Muddle, Wee Angus etc.

Sorry that should have been four representatives .I was dismissing the UKIP creature.
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Not at all, the pro union parties agree on that issue but not on much else. The greens have sacrificed all their other priorities to give the snp a clear run. Sad to admit I used to vote for them.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Does seem far fetched but let's see if they do anything else to alienate their core support.
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“We do not believe in untrammelled free markets. We reject the cult of selfish individualism. We abhor social division, injustice, unfairness and inequality. We see rigid dogma and ideology not just as needless but as dangerous.”

Not exactly the thinking behind Tory policies of the last four decades and how they have been sold to the electorate...in fact this sounds more like something a Christian democrat would have at the core of their beliefs and policies.
 
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