Gary Neville

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, I certainly think time will tell but Neville is different - a one off. He's worked under the best manager ever during his career and very popular with all the players. Whilst we will never know fully what goes on in the changing rooms his man management skills are obvious.
Let's also not forget the respect he should have after being an integral part of the success of Manchester United.

But what makes him different to others ?

Plenty of players have played under the great managers and still didnt work out. A one off based on what though ?

 

[sawtooth]

Why would anyone want the hassle of management,ifthey can earn that kind of money sat in a studio with no pressure?

Says a lot about Neville doesn't it?

He worked under Fergie (closer than most) for 20 years so he should turn out quite decent you would think.

 

[Golfmmad]

But what makes him different to others ?

Plenty of players have played under the great managers and still didnt work out. A one off based on what though ?

What makes him different - he is a winner - single minded determination - knows his own mind - is articulate, what more do you want?

I'll say again - played under THE best manager ever - this has to make a difference.

:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Says a lot about Neville doesn't it?

He worked under Fergie (closer than most) for 20 years so he should turn out quite decent you would think.

Phil Neal worked under some of the best managers the game has seen and was poor as a manager - the list is long

Robson is another everyone expected to be decent

Neville could just as easily be like Bobby Robson

It's seems it's more likely for ex players to struggle as oppose to succeed

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What makes him different - he is a winner - single minded determination - knows his own mind - is articulate, what more do you want?

I'll say again - played under THE best manager ever - this has to make a difference.

:thup:

Sorry but there has been better players who have failed and everything you say stands him out can be seen in plenty players and managers

And players who have played under the likes of Shanks and Bob Paisley ( who IMO is the best ever ) and failed - Phil Neal - 8 titles , 4 European Cups - best right back I have ever seen - awful as a manager.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

What makes him different - he is a winner - single minded determination - knows his own mind - is articulate, what more do you want?

I'll say again - played under THE best manager ever - this has to make a difference.

:thup:

Totally. I think Valencia may not have been an ideal starting role but at least you can't say he shied away from a challenge. I still reckon if and when he comes back to England, he'll end up getting a PL role somewhere

 

[Golfmmad]

Sorry but there has been better players who have failed and everything you say stands him out can be seen in plenty players and managers

And players who have played under the likes of Shanks and Bob Paisley ( who IMO is the best ever ) and failed - Phil Neal - 8 titles , 4 European Cups - best right back I have ever seen - awful as a manager.

I'm not saying anything about his playing ability, just him as a person. Just because Phil Neal failed doesn't follow that Gary Neville will too.

Bobby Charlton, the great that he was, failed as a Manager - different person, plenty of respect but not the same personality.

Gary Neville is a born winner - as I say, time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not saying anything about his playing ability, just him as a person. Just because Phil Neal failed doesn't follow that Gary Neville will too.

Bobby Charlton, the great that he was, failed as a Manager - different person, plenty of respect but not the same personality.

Gary Neville is a born winner - as I say, time will tell.

Which is exactly the point - the others were born winners yet failed at management , its impossible to say who will succeed or not but the chances of success for everyone are very slim. I cant see any Prem Clubs giving him a go right now or until he proves himself elsewhere

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Even if Neville has to go to the championship to start in England I reckon he'll have what it takes to get that team challenging for promotion/play offs and gain the necessary kudos to get a PL berth.

Some interesting names on this list, and not all of them proven at the time of their appointment so why shouldn't Neville get a PL club

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers

 

[Golfmmad]

Which is exactly the point - the others were born winners yet failed at management , its impossible to say who will succeed or not but the chances of success for everyone are very slim. I cant see any Prem Clubs giving him a go right now or until he proves himself elsewhere

Who are these others you talk of? I remember Phil Neal as a player, but not as a winner, a rather dour character from what I remember, not in Neville's class.

If you read my post properly I did use the word "Future" manager. So I'm not expecting any Premiership club to come in for him any time soon.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who are these others you talk of? I remember Phil Neal as a player, but not as a winner, a rather dour character from what I remember, not in Neville's class.

If you read my post properly I did use the word "Future" manager. So I'm not expecting any Premiership club to come in for him any time soon.

Take your pick from any player who has played at the highest level yet not done the business as a manager.

Robson
Adams
Ince
Ardiles
Barnes
Souness
Zola
Even Shearer had a go - Maradona, Davids Pearce, Keane, Voller , Mattheus


The list is longer for players who just failed to make the grade

 

[ger147]

I think Neville will be a very successful manager in the EPL in time. And before anyone asks me to prove why my opinion is correct, it's just my opinion and based on nothing other than gut feel, but it's still what I think.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think Neville will be a very successful manager in the EPL in time. And before anyone asks me to prove why my opinion is correct, it's just my opinion and based on nothing other than gut feel, but it's still what I think.

I agree with you 100%. I don't see a world of difference between Neville and Giggs who is obviously being groomed for a top PL job. The only difference is Neville has had the faith to follow his convictions and get out and try. Take away the language issues and the different style of play and get Neville back to the PL and I think you'll find him learn quickly and successfully

 

[Golfmmad]

Take your pick from any player who has played at the highest level yet not done the business as a manager.

Robson
Adams
Ince
Ardiles
Barnes
Souness
Zola
Even Shearer had a go - Maradona, Davids Pearce, Keane, Voller , Mattheus


The list is longer for players who just failed to make the grade

Here's my list of top players that made great managers:

Ferguson
B. Robson
Venables
Beckenbauer
Clough
Capello
Klinsmann

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Here's my list of top players that made great managers:

Ferguson
B. Robson
Venables
Beckenbauer
Clough
Capello
Klinsmann

Can't disagree with the but will add

Dalglish
Cruyff
Ancelotti
Pep

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Here's my list of top players that made great managers:

Ferguson
B. Robson
Venables
Beckenbauer
Clough
Capello
Klinsmann

A certain Guardiola wasn't too shabby as a player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pep_Guardiola#Player_2 and seems to be doing OK as a manager too

 

[Golfmmad]

A certain Guardiola wasn't too shabby as a player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pep_Guardiola#Player_2 and seems to be doing OK as a manager too

I didn't mention Guardiola as I wasn't sure if he was a player - but what a manager though!

:thup:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Here's my list of top players that made great managers:

Ferguson
B. Robson
Venables
Beckenbauer
Clough
Capello
Klinsmann

Depends what you mean by top player.

It would be stretching it to call Bobby Robson or Terry Venables as top players and Cloughie's playing career was cut short by injury.

I doubt that even Fergie himself would suggest that he had been a top player.

They were all decent but not top players.

 

[Grogger]

Depends what you mean by top player.

It would be stretching it to call Bobby Robson or Terry Venables as top players and Cloughie's playing career was cut short by injury.

I doubt that even Fergie himself would suggest that he had been a top player.

They were all decent but not top players.

I'd disagree slightly with you. Clough was a top player! 251 goals in 270+ appearances isn't to shabby. Still holds the record for goals to games ratio of any player in England and Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I'd disagree slightly with you. Clough was a top player! 251 goals in 270+ appearances isn't to shabby. Still holds the record for goals to games ratio of any player in England and Scotland.

Yes but nearly all his goals were in the Second Division (i.e. Championship). He personally felt that his injury prevented him from proving himself at the top level.