Gary Neville

[FairwayDodger]

Tried to run before he could walk. Bit off more than he could chew. etc etc

He'll be back on sky for next season.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hold my hands up re souness. Point kinda remains though as was player manager at rangers.

As to popularity. From the people I know. Neville was always the most popular. Also recognised as the best pundit for sky two years running.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ise-from-players-managers-and-tv-award-judges

And the point is no one would be declaring them future national managers etc when they got appointed which is what Stu was saying - Both Souness and Kenny were risks when appointed and both worked out very well for their respected clubs

Neville is a good pundit but talking and walking is a little bit different - I think he could be a decent manager as do I think Carra can be as they both know the game very well and think they can transfer that to the pitch but need to start a bit lower IMO . Carra is doing a lot of coaching with youth football and think if he gets an offer from a lower league club then I think he would take it and then build up

 

[Tongo]

I hope he gets sacked tbh, I've never liked him. Overrated as a player also, Fowler used to turn him inside out everytime we played Liverpool without fail.

Only in football could someone walk into a role of which they've no previous experience and earn £500k + pa.

Totally agree. Smug, irksome individual who has been made to look a right fool. Mind you, if he was so arrogant to take the job in the first place...

 

[Kellfire]

He doesn't look foolish to anyone who saw the poisoned chalice he was handed. Gives him a chance to get a feel for management in a no-lose situation because the team were crap to begin with.

And he's arguably the best right back to ever play in the top flight in England and was at his peak long after Fowler was at his. It's like saying John Terry was never any good because Henry skinned him in 2001.

 

[TheDiablo]

And the point is no one would be declaring them future national managers etc when they got appointed which is what Stu was saying - Both Souness and Kenny were risks when appointed and both worked out very well for their respected clubs

Neville is a good pundit but talking and walking is a little bit different - I think he could be a decent manager as do I think Carra can be as they both know the game very well and think they can transfer that to the pitch but need to start a bit lower IMO . Carra is doing a lot of coaching with youth football and think if he gets an offer from a lower league club then I think he would take it and then build up

Very, very much doubt that!

Big IF, but IF he does end up in management, it will be because he was a number 2 at Liverpool, took over the reigns for a few games, had some success and got the bug.

Personally, I think he is quite content at being a famous pundit and continuing the good work he does through his foundations. And who can blame him when you see the cut-throat world of management these days.

As for Neville, probably bit off more than he could chew. Doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the league, took on a pile of crap. IMO he will still be a top coach/manager/pundit/club owner/hotel owner/whatever he chooses to be within the English game, given time and the right opportunity.

 

[Berger]

He doesn't look foolish to anyone who saw the poisoned chalice he was handed. Gives him a chance to get a feel for management in a no-lose situation because the team were crap to begin with.

And he's arguably the best right back to ever play in the top flight in England and was at his peak long after Fowler was at his. It's like saying John Terry was never any good because Henry skinned him in 2001.

Valencia finished 4th last season and were 5 points off 4th place this season when Neville took over. 9 games later and 0 league wins they're now 4 points off relegation. They weren't great before he came in but they were far from crap.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Very, very much doubt that!

Big IF, but IF he does end up in management, it will be because he was a number 2 at Liverpool, took over the reigns for a few games, had some success and got the bug.

Personally, I think he is quite content at being a famous pundit and continuing the good work he does through his foundations. And who can blame him when you see the cut-throat world of management these days.

As for Neville, probably bit off more than he could chew. Doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the league, took on a pile of crap. IMO he will still be a top coach/manager/pundit/club owner/hotel owner/whatever he chooses to be within the English game, given time and the right opportunity.

Carra wants to manage - there is no doubt about that - seen enough interviews from him and in his book and other peoples books about him that he wants to manage one day - he won't rush into it but he doesn't want to sit in a studio every day for the rest of his life in football

 

[NWJocko]

Carra wants to manage - there is no doubt about that - seen enough interviews from him and in his book and other peoples books about him that he wants to manage one day - he won't rush into it but he doesn't want to sit in a studio every day for the rest of his life in football

I take it you didn't watch the Sky documentary on him where he was pretty adamant he didn't want to get into management then!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I take it you didn't watch the Sky documentary on him where he was pretty adamant he didn't want to get into management then!

Nope but did watch the program on LFC Tv when he was talking about still coaching in the background to help him for when he thinks he is ready to get into management. It's even in his auto bio and both of Gerrards and Rafas book. Obviously could and maybe has changed his mind but I would be amazed if he didn't give it a go.

But if he has changed his mind ( and readin reports it looks like you are spot on ) then two things worry me - 1. That someone who spent his whole football career studying the game in prep for a coaching/managing role has been put of by the demands of modern management and the short life span and 2. That punditry has become a safe haven for people who IMO could make big changes in the game coaching

 

[NWJocko]

Nope but did watch the program on LFC Tv when he was talking about still coaching in the background to help him for when he thinks he is ready to get into management. It's even in his auto bio and both of Gerrards and Rafas book. Obviously could and maybe has changed his mind but I would be amazed if he didn't give it a go.

But if he has changed his mind ( and readin reports it looks like you are spot on ) then two things worry me - 1. That someone who spent his whole football career studying the game in prep for a coaching/managing role has been put of by the demands of modern management and the short life span and 2. That punditry has become a safe haven for people who IMO could make big changes in the game coaching

I agree it's a shame, especially looking at the number of top players across BBC/BT and Sky that are now pundits with no apparent interest in coaching who would probably have a lot to offer (not necessarily top line management even but coaching at some level).

It's why I'd quite like Neville to succeed really. Surprised he was given that level of job first off but have to start somewhere I guess, fair play to him for realising there's a world beyond the Premier League aswell :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree it's a shame, especially looking at the number of top players across BBC/BT and Sky that are now pundits with no apparent interest in coaching who would probably have a lot to offer (not necessarily top line management even but coaching at some level).

It's why I'd quite like Neville to succeed really. Surprised he was given that level of job first off but have to start somewhere I guess, fair play to him for realising there's a world beyond the Premier League aswell :thup:

Yep agree

Think if the current trend keeps going on then in about 10/15 years time there could be a problem with the lack of managers available.

It is strange though as abroad players seem to have no issues diving straight in to management and especially in Italy and Spain have no problems giving jobs to recently retired players.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I admire Neville for taking the job. It hasn't worked out and I fear he's not going to be in post much longer but I think he'll bounce back whether that's in a TV role, with that experience to fall back on when discussing managers, or in another managerial role. I think he'll possible get a PL job at some point and think he'll be a success. Plenty of managers don't start well in their first job

 

[sawtooth]

Neville probably took a pay cut as well. Henry reportedly earns £4M a year at Sky! You can see why some aren't interested in management.

 

[Golfmmad]

The reasons I've touted Neville as a future England Manager are because of how well he came across as a pundit on Sky and more importantly, after watching the recent documentary on Salford Football Club. He was definitely the driving force behind the clubs recent success.

The way in which he dealt with the Spanish media was class and in no way does he come across as "Arrogant", just confident in his own ability, and certainly his own man. All attributes that are needed in today's game with all the pressures that go with the job.

After reading some of the comments above re. whether Carragher should become a Manager and there's Neville willing to stand by his sword - it's a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I still say he will make a great Manager.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Neville probably took a pay cut as well. Henry reportedly earns £4M a year at Sky! You can see why some aren't interested in management.

Why would anyone want the hassle of management,ifthey can earn that kind of money sat in a studio with no pressure?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The reasons I've touted Neville as a future England Manager are because of how well he came across as a pundit on Sky and more importantly, after watching the recent documentary on Salford Football Club. He was definitely the driving force behind the clubs recent success.

The way in which he dealt with the Spanish media was class and in no way does he come across as "Arrogant", just confident in his own ability, and certainly his own man. All attributes that are needed in today's game with all the pressures that go with the job.

After reading some of the comments above re. whether Carragher should become a Manager and there's Neville willing to stand by his sword - it's a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I still say he will make a great Manager.

I reckon he'll make a good manager too. Lots struggle early on

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The reasons I've touted Neville as a future England Manager are because of how well he came across as a pundit on Sky and more importantly, after watching the recent documentary on Salford Football Club. He was definitely the driving force behind the clubs recent success.

The way in which he dealt with the Spanish media was class and in no way does he come across as "Arrogant", just confident in his own ability, and certainly his own man. All attributes that are needed in today's game with all the pressures that go with the job.

After reading some of the comments above re. whether Carragher should become a Manager and there's Neville willing to stand by his sword - it's a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I still say he will make a great Manager.

Would certainly wonder how long it would take for him to get another chance when he leaves Valencia - he certainly is confident in his own beliefs and does explain the tactics well in the studio - but it's getting that across to the players which is the real acid test - there have been some top quality players that looked destined to be top managers but just bombed.

 

[Tongo]

Would certainly wonder how long it would take for him to get another chance when he leaves Valencia - he certainly is confident in his own beliefs and does explain the tactics well in the studio - but it's getting that across to the players which is the real acid test - there have been some top quality players that looked destined to be top managers but just bombed.

Especially when managing abroad. What works in the Premier League doesnt necessarily work elsewhere.

(And vice versa as i'm sure will soon be pointed out)

Moyes allegedly going after Danny Ings whilst at Real Sociedad still amuses me on that score.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Especially when managing abroad. What works in the Premier League doesnt necessarily work elsewhere.

(And vice versa as i'm sure will soon be pointed out)

Moyes allegedly going after Danny Ings whilst at Real Sociedad still amuses me on that score.

The amount of managers from him that have done well abroad in the top leagues is a very small list -

Bobby Robson ? After that its a struggle

 

[Golfmmad]

Would certainly wonder how long it would take for him to get another chance when he leaves Valencia - he certainly is confident in his own beliefs and does explain the tactics well in the studio - but it's getting that across to the players which is the real acid test - there have been some top quality players that looked destined to be top managers but just bombed.

Yes, I certainly think time will tell but Neville is different - a one off. He's worked under the best manager ever during his career and very popular with all the players. Whilst we will never know fully what goes on in the changing rooms his man management skills are obvious.
Let's also not forget the respect he should have after being an integral part of the success of Manchester United.