Gareth Bale.

[guest100718]

Do you remember them hence asking your age ( believe you said you were early 20's )

James - how many England caps ?

Redknapp , Fowler and Colleymore - all got England caps but all suffered with injuries

Babb and McAteer - Irish

They were called Spice Boys because they "partied" all the time and then picked the white suits at the FA Cup final they were not a marketing dreams.

No one said Beckham got picked because of his image !! The press built up the Beckham brand and that Beckham brand was marketed very well and the press went overboard about him

He was a good player and very good at set pieces but IMO as a player he was overrated - that opinion has nothing to with Liverpool etc so your comment of "spice boys at Wembley " is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the overrating of Beckham.

Bale is in the second teir of players - that is where he will stay IMO , doesn't have the extra special talent to move him towards the Messi or Ronaldo or Suarez

Sorry Suarez is not in the same class as Ronaldo or Messi

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry Suarez is not in the same class as Ronaldo or Messi

Believe he is in their class now and has shown it this season - 3rd best player in the world now.

But that's just my opinion

 

[Slime]

No one said Beckham got picked because of his image !! The press built up the Beckham brand and that Beckham brand was marketed very well and the press went overboard about him

He was a good player and very good at set pieces but IMO as a player he was overrated - that opinion has nothing to with Liverpool etc so your comment of "spice boys at Wembley " is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the overrating of Beckham.

Bale is in the second teir of players - that is where he will stay IMO , doesn't have the extra special talent to move him towards the Messi or Ronaldo or Suarez

Well, as we're off topic, I have a question to ask everyone except Liverpoolphil.
Do people genuinely believe that, after one particularly good season, Suarez is up there with Ronaldo and Messi, both of whom have been turning it on for years.
Personally I don't ...................... in fact, I find the notion ludicrous.


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

Do you remember them hence asking your age ( believe you said you were early 20's )

James - how many England caps ?

Redknapp , Fowler and Colleymore - all got England caps but all suffered with injuries

Babb and McAteer - Irish

They were called Spice Boys because they "partied" all the time and then picked the white suits at the FA Cup final they were not a marketing dreams.

No one said Beckham got picked because of his image !! The press built up the Beckham brand and that Beckham brand was marketed very well and the press went overboard about him

He was a good player and very good at set pieces but IMO as a player he was overrated - that opinion has nothing to with Liverpool etc so your comment of "spice boys at Wembley " is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the overrating of Beckham.

Bale is in the second teir of players - that is where he will stay IMO , doesn't have the extra special talent to move him towards the Messi or Ronaldo or Suarez

i believe the phrase "most overrated of all time" was used. I'd suggest that lends themselves to people not thinking he was that good. He himself never said he was a great.

Re re my age. I'm 32. Hence papas1982.

James to to be fair one caps, but only after he left Liverpool and England ran out of decent keepers.

Fowler, collymore and Redknapp may have been injured but all were still given plenty of chances at intl and didn't take them. I feel for GOD as he was a fav of mine growing up. Behind Le God of course.

You can maintain that Liverpool has no basis on your opinion, and maybe it doesn't. But in general I've only ever heard fans of UTDs rivals really slag or underate beckham. Becuase talent aside he gave more to England than many others. He may not have Ben the best England player off all time. But he was one of our best performers.

 

[Papas1982]

Believe he is in their class now and has shown it this season - 3rd best player in the world now.

But that's just my opinion

At start of season, I'd have picked Zlatan. With RVp and Suarez behind. but having seen less off layman and fact he plays in lesser French league. I'd agree.

Ronaldo and Messi still clearly 1 and 2. Purely on record of doing it for a few years.

Not ot sure wether being best attackers makes them best players in the world though. But attacking image always wins. Hence why no JT in player of year awards even though this season he has been immense.

 

[Papas1982]

Well, as we're off topic, I have a question to ask everyone except Liverpoolphil.
Do people genuinely believe that, after one particularly good season, Suarez is up there with Ronaldo and Messi, both of whom have been turning it on for years.
Personally I don't ...................... in fact, I find the notion ludicrous.


Slime.

ludicrous? Right now, if you were in "playground mode". Surely you'd pick Suarez first as he's on best form a and has proven record of being good. Now maybe progressing to great? I agree that the other two are proven but don't think it is at all ludicrous to align Suarez with them as performance wise he's been above them this season. Nobody has even neem close in last 3/4 years.

 

[guest100718]

Well, as we're off topic, I have a question to ask everyone except Liverpoolphil.
Do people genuinely believe that, after one particularly good season, Suarez is up there with Ronaldo and Messi, both of whom have been turning it on for years.
Personally I don't ...................... in fact, I find the notion ludicrous.


Slime.

Exactly. Those two have been doing it for years at the highest level. Suarez has a league cup with a mid table prem side. No comparison

 

[Deleted member 15344]

i believe the phrase "most overrated of all time" was used. I'd suggest that lends themselves to people not thinking he was that good. He himself never said he was a great.

Re re my age. I'm 32. Hence papas1982.

James to to be fair one caps, but only after he left Liverpool and England ran out of decent keepers.

Fowler, collymore and Redknapp may have been injured but all were still given plenty of chances at intl and didn't take them. I feel for GOD as he was a fav of mine growing up. Behind Le God of course.

You can maintain that Liverpool has no basis on your opinion, and maybe it doesn't. But in general I've only ever heard fans of UTDs rivals really slag or underate beckham. Becuase talent aside he gave more to England than many others. He may not have Ben the best England player off all time. But he was one of our best performers.

Think you need to read my posts a bit more carefully - most overrated of his generation - a GOOD player and very good at set pieces and crosses.

It is a simple opinion of the player regardless of who I support

A player that was blown up in the press , the same press that blew up England to atmospherically overrated and Beckham was at the head of all that. It was that press and the circus attached to Beckham that put me off the England Football Team

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Exactly. Those two have been doing it for years at the highest level. Suarez has a league cup with a mid table prem side. No comparison

Suarez also has done it on the international stage with Uruguay - going to a WC semi final and winning a Copa America

Suarez has been scoring goals for years - Suarez is currently taking a team from 8th in the league to possibly winning a league title.

Suarez record is proven already

 

[Papas1982]

Exactly. Those two have been doing it for years at the highest level. Suarez has a league cup with a mid table prem side. No comparison

The fact Liverpool was mid table surely makes this seasons stats more commendable? Why is that relevant?

 

[Slime]

Believe he is in their class now and has shown it this season - 3rd best player in the world now.

But that's just my opinion

Suarez may or may not be the 3rd best player at the moment, the point is, whether it's him or not, the world's 3rd best player is still way off 2nd place ............................ and I mean way off!

Suarez also has done it on the international stage with Uruguay - going to a WC semi final and winning a Copa America

Suarez has been scoring goals for years - Suarez is currently taking a team from 8th in the league to possibly winning a league title.

Suarez record is proven already

So are you saying that Liverpool are a one man team? It would certainly appear so.


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

Think you need to read my posts a bit more carefully - most overrated of his generation - a GOOD player and very good at set pieces and crosses.

It is a simple opinion of the player regardless of who I support

A player that was blown up in the press , the same press that blew up England to atmospherically overrated and Beckham was at the head of all that. It was that press and the circus attached to Beckham that put me off the England Football Team

The very fact you claim that the media darling put you off England still stikes me as anti UTD. I've never known supporters if other teams be so againt him.

I'd also suggest he was a lot better than good. Unless you only class Gerrard as good, as the stats of their careers goals assists wise are pretty similar. Which is surprising as beckham didn't take pens.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Suarez may or may not be the 3rd best player at the moment, the point is, whether it's him or not, the world's 3rd best player is still way off 2nd place ............................ and I mean way off!



So are you saying that Liverpool are a one man team? It would certainly appear so.


Slime.

And I don't think he is way off at all - but that's just my opinion - his record this season is outstanding and he also performs on the international stage - I would currently put him alongside the two of them and next season will see him shine in the CL

And one man team ? Nope - crucial to our team and a big reason why we are challenging for the title - yes

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The very fact you claim that the media darling put you off England still stikes me as anti UTD. I've never known supporters if other teams be so againt him.

I'd also suggest he was a lot better than good. Unless you only class Gerrard as good, as the stats of their careers goals assists wise are pretty similar. Which is surprising as beckham didn't take pens.

Stats ? Stats don't show a great deal that can be seen with the naked eye.

Not even going to go there on the Gerrard comparison

 

[Papas1982]

So are you saying that Liverpool are a one man team? It would certainly appear so.


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one player can make all the difference. It would appear UTD are only slightly better Liverpool without RVP performing.

 

[Papas1982]

Stats ? Stats don't show a great deal that can be seen with the naked eye.

Not even going to go there on the Gerrard comparison

I know stats don't say it all, but unfortunately your 'unbiased eyes' would only se it one way so I thought I'd use them to assist. But for Gerras performance in Istanbul, think back to beckhams against Greece. For Gerrard against west ham in cup, see Beckham against sours on opening day of season. As a neutral I admire them both. I think Gerrad is the better player, but I'd say not by much. The fact he's been Liverpools hero will create his legend, but beckham played for 3 of the biggest teams in the world. And he played well for them too.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know stats don't say it all, but unfortunately your 'unbiased eyes' would only se it one way so I thought I'd use them to assist. But for Gerras performance in Istanbul, think back to beckhams against Greece. For Gerrard against west ham in cup, see Beckham against sours on opening day of season. As a neutral I admire them both. I think Gerrad is the better player, but I'd say not by much. The fact he's been Liverpools hero will create his legend, but beckham played for 3 of the biggest teams in the world. And he played well for them too.

And none of that changes my opinion of Beckham - that's quite simple really.

Gerrard is irrelevant to my opinion and I'm not sure why you are continuing to bring Liverpool into it - it's irrelevant I'm afraid.

 

[Papas1982]

And none of that changes my opinion of Beckham - that's quite simple really.

Gerrard is irrelevant to my opinion and I'm not sure why you are continuing to bring Liverpool into it - it's irrelevant I'm afraid.

Fair enough, i accept your opinion on beckham only being good, don't believe it's unbiased in the slightest. And the Gerrard comparison was used as an example of a player that has been equally good performance wise as beckham and yet I'm sure you believe him to be slightly better than good. But as we've got our usual circle that happens when ever your opinion is involved ill bid you good afternoon :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair enough, i accept your opinion on beckham only being good, don't believe it's unbiased in the slightest. And the Gerrard comparison was used as an example of a player that has been equally good performance wise as beckham and yet I'm sure you believe him to be slightly better than good. But as we've got our usual circle that happens when ever your opinion is involved ill bid you good afternoon :thup:

My opinion of Gerrard is irrelevant to my opinion of Beckham :thup:

Have a good afternoon

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'd definitely pick Beckham in his prime over Gerrard. Was much better at International aswell as club level.
Not sure Gerrard would have stood out as much playing amongst some of the players Beckham played with.