Gareth Bale.
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What international medals has Messi and Ronaldo got ?
Suarez also has league medals.
Traore has a CL medal - means nothing of his ability.
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The erdevisse is rubbish.
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Im implying that Lampard has never been the second best player in the world - but again he is/was a very good player.
I dont expect Suarez to ever win a Balon D'or
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Dont those medals count them ?
Im guessing his Copa America medal also doesnt count
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The Dutch league is on a par with league 1 maybe? The cops America has no where near the depth of Europe they don't even have enough teams to fill all the spaces. Of course they count, that still puts him miles behind the 2 best players
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I don't know what he's won but ide bet it's a lot more than Suarez
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It is more because he is a quality player and has played in a top team all his career.
Think Suarez only has 6 at the moment but hopefully more to come - hopefully a league title to his name this year. Messi is looks like is having a poor season and will possibly end up with nothing.
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Team Medals and Cup have little real bearing on how good an individual player is.
That would virtually rule out all Arsenal players in the last (nearly) 10 years! Like Fabregas, Van Persie etc. and most stars of from 'middling' teams as well. In fact, what team awards has Bale won?
And having laughed at a previous opinion/fact post, I have to applaud this one! Class! :clap:
That would virtually rule out all Arsenal players in the last (nearly) 10 years! Like Fabregas, Van Persie etc. and most stars of from 'middling' teams as well. In fact, what team awards has Bale won?
You can get Dutch titles out of a happy meal
And having laughed at a previous opinion/fact post, I have to applaud this one! Class! :clap:
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Piece
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Beckham was not classed as overrated during his career because managers and knowledgeable fans alike knew exactly what he brought to the team. He was only seemingly overrated by the minority as they failed to understand what his role was or they measured his footballing skill against his massive media persona.
Beckham had a brilliant career based on dead-ball delivery and pin-sharp passing over short and long distances. Both of these skills are very hard and Beckham was the best of his generation. He was rubbish at the glamorous side of football, such as dribbling, heading, holding the ball up, tackling, beating people, but because he was deficient in these areas doesn't mean he wasn't as good a footballer as 'crowd pleasers' like Thierry Henry.
Beckham had a brilliant career based on dead-ball delivery and pin-sharp passing over short and long distances. Both of these skills are very hard and Beckham was the best of his generation. He was rubbish at the glamorous side of football, such as dribbling, heading, holding the ball up, tackling, beating people, but because he was deficient in these areas doesn't mean he wasn't as good a footballer as 'crowd pleasers' like Thierry Henry.
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Pretty spot on description of Beckham.
Not quite so good, imo, on the over-rated rating. I think the media magnified his plus points and ignored his deficiencies. And 'Team Beckham' certainly sold copy! So that's where the over-rating came from imo. Oh and I was thrust into an environment where every young player wanted to 'be like Beckham', so they certainly (over-)rated him!
His actual passing wasn't as good as it should have been either imo. Peter Beardsley leaps to my mind as a great (of at least the short-ish, perfectly weighted one) being responsible for putting the ball on a plate for so many of Andy Cole's goals while at Newcastle! It took Ferguson almost 18 months to actually turn Cole into a proper footballer, changing my attitude to him (Ferguson) in the process.
Liverbirdie
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Dont you like him taking your title then dodger? This could be the WWF final - where's them decorating ladders?
Piece - wise words about Beckham - spot on.:thup:
guest100718, so if you judge a player on medals:-
Phil Neville was miles better than Le Tiss (domestically). George Best was poorer than Geoff Hurst (internationally)?
Who brought beckham into it...
Dont you like him taking your title then dodger? This could be the WWF final - where's them decorating ladders?
Piece - wise words about Beckham - spot on.:thup:
guest100718, so if you judge a player on medals:-
Phil Neville was miles better than Le Tiss (domestically). George Best was poorer than Geoff Hurst (internationally)?
Who brought beckham into it...
Sorry,what?
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I believe he was trying to highlight that winning medals doesnt automatically mean you are a better player than someone who didnt win medals
Le Tiss was a massively talented player but won nothing - going by Paddys theory on medals - Traore and Biscan were better players though
I get it, missed a few pages.
Harsh maybe on Neville, always did a good job. But defo not in catergory of le Tiss. Then again, many weren't and got more recognition.
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Believe his loyalty held him back - would have and should have won a lot more if he had left but cant blame him for staying loyal to his home club
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Le Tiss was a good player at a small club. He wouldn't have cut it at a top club IMO.
I agree he could have won more trophies. Internationally the fact he didn't play for a big club, or spurs hindered him. Back then it was top club or you were invisible. I remember 97/98 he had 18 goals in contender of the month, then scored a hat trick for England b having been told to impress hoddle. Still didn't make the plan, batty did though???????
I suggest you watch a bit more of him. He wasn't fast, but that didn't matter. He would walk around players twice. The fact xavi himself said how respected he was in Europe shows just how good he was. Playing for little saints made people think he wasn't good enough. His highlight reel is as good as any player.!ANY,
