Foxhunting

Foxholer said:
Complete and utter tosh!

The only animal that does anything like that is --- the domestic cat!

I'm totally with Snelly on this one!
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As a life long dog owner I can confirm that dogs go straight for the kill!
 
Foxholer said:
Complete and utter tosh!

The only animal that does anything like that is --- the domestic cat!

I'm totally with Snelly on this one!
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Nope, you're wrong there, I've seen whales and dolphins do it too......Not with foxes mind you. :)



No big deal anyway, we all play with our food from time to time. :whistle:
 
I've not read this thread, but my own opinion is that fox hunting is barbaric.If a farmer has problems with foxes then shoot the animals, humanely and quickly.

I really hope The SNP vote on this.I know it's a separate law in Scotland and it would cause a bit of a stooshie re: EVEL, but if the tories are allowing a free vote to their mps, the SNP should do the same.
 
Either way, foxes are still going to be killed by landowners. Since the ban, shooting, snaring and flushing to birds of prey have become the methods used. Each of these methods has the potential for prolonged suffering over days, be it trapped in a snare, starving with a broken leg; or hobbling around with an open infected wound if someones marksmanship wasn't up to scratch. There is also potential for these approaches to affect other species as well. There are loopholes which allow hunting with up to two hounds, I believe mainly to allow terriermen to flush a den.

I'd prefer for control of the population to be done by a controlled pack of hounds delivering a swift end to the intended target. Fit, healthy animals give the hunt the slip more often than not as well.

On a side note, I've been human quarry for a clean boot hunt on a few occasions as well (I run away from a pack of bloodhounds not foxhounds), if anyone is into cross country running with added motivation to go faster then I can highly recommend it. Great fun, especially if you struggle to push yourself!
 
c1973 said:
Nope, you're wrong there, I've seen whales and dolphins do it too......Not with foxes mind you. :)



No big deal anyway, we all play with our food from time to time. :whistle:
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I sit corrected! ::whistle: And add (Leopard) Seals to that too!

But Hounds certainly 'go for the kill', so L'Phil's post was tosh!
 
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This was being discussed on my Scottish Fitba forum.

Someone suggested, shooting, gassing and terrier work was the best way of controlling the vermin.
He then said that he did not know the best solution for controlling the foxes.:o
 
Snelly said:
Phil's post above is completely misleading and untrue. As are many others on this topic.

I am in favour of hunting with hounds, have done a lot of it, have a lot of friends that have worked in hunting and understand it much better than anyone else on this forum I would think.

I would be more than happy to answer every question raised and correct the misconceptions that have been written so far on the thread, if I thought that anyone would take notice and discuss the subject objectively. However, I think experience shows this cannot be done very easily as it is an emotionally charged discussion where most people are firmly for or against.

So I will just say that hunting with hounds isn't all about toffs and it certainly isn't about a bloodlust or deriving pleasure from killing. However, it is a pretty effective way of managing a fox population and the foxes that are killed do not suffer.


Additionally, whilst I favour the decriminalising of hunting with dogs, I am not in favour of our new government spending much time on this any time soon. Last time it went through the statute book, it took twice the time to discuss that the decision to go to war in Iraq did. A total disgrace. It is a political football, highly charged and the new government should be focusing on much more important matters.
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can you correct your own?

what utter nonsense and the purulent cry of the wannabe pseudo landed gent.
 
alexbrownmp said:
can you correct your own?

what utter nonsense and the purulent cry of the wannabe pseudo landed gent.
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Can you be a "wannabe pseudo"? I would have thought that you are either one or the other... Unless Snelly has really weird aspirations and would love to be a pseudo landed gent, rather than an actual landed gent.
 
i have followed the hunt a few times, as Bladeplayer said, very very rare the hounds ever catch the fox, I never saw it on any of the hunts i watched, id much prefer to shoot it. The RSPB kill so many fox and deer because they need their numbers controlled to protect the wild birds.
 
Phil2511 said:
i have followed the hunt a few times, as Bladeplayer said, very very rare the hounds ever catch the fox, I never saw it on any of the hunts i watched, id much prefer to shoot it.
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The above is not true. Hounds do catch foxes. Very rare that they draw a blank during a days hunting and the most I have ever experienced is 11 in one day. It is fair to say though that hardly anyone gets to see them close on the quarry and finish the job. The mounted field are nearly always too far away from where the huntsman is hunting the hounds, although foot followers can often get closer and see the hounds at work if they correctly anticipate the direction that the fox will take next.

In terms of the coup de grace, a foxhound is a powerful animal and the pack can run 75 miles and more during a day of hunting. They are a pretty big dog too and when they get to their prey, it is over in just a few seconds with the lead couple of hounds killing the fox with a single bite more often than not. A foxhound vs a fox is about as fair a match as a fox vs a rabbit - no contest. It is far from barbaric. Just nature - red in tooth and claw.

As for those advocating shooting, it isn't as good a method of control as you might think. e.g. Not everyone is an expert marksman and wounding creates a huge amount of unnecessary suffering. Additionally, the rifle shooter with a lamp will kill or maim all foxes, not just the old, stupid or injured ones. This includes pregnant vixens or those with cubs to feed who then starve. Not ideal. And hounds? Mother Nature is quite amazing in that when with cubs, the scent of a vixen diminishes a great deal meaning that they have a far better chance of eluding a hunting pack.

In general terms, it is true to say that a fox in the prime of it's life will invariably show the hounds a clean pair of heels.


Alexbrownmp's last post was illuminating in that it pointed to the real reason that people are anti hunting - a lack of genuine understanding and an axe to grind in terms of the now almost irrelevant, class system in the UK. Hunting attracts people from all areas of the social spectrum and whilst there are a few lords and ladies around, the majority of those that hunt are just normal people, usually from rural areas.
 
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All seems a bit heavy handed. Like getting a group of mates around to kill a fly.

Could they not be trapped and released somewhere else. Or would that be too sensible?
 
Snelly said:
The above is not true. Hounds do catch foxes. Very rare that they draw a blank during a days hunting and the most I have ever experienced is 11 in one day. It is fair to say though that hardly anyone gets to see them close on the quarry and finish the job. The mounted field are nearly always too far away from where the huntsman is hunting the hounds, although foot followers can often get closer and see the hounds at work if they correctly anticipate the direction that the fox will take next.

In terms of the coup de grace, a foxhound is a powerful animal and the pack can run 75 miles and more during a day of hunting. They are a pretty big dog too and when they get to their prey, it is over in just a few seconds with the lead couple of hounds killing the fox with a single bite more often than not. A foxhound vs a fox is about as fair a match as a fox vs a rabbit - no contest. It is far from barbaric. Just nature - red in tooth and claw.

As for those advocating shooting, it isn't as good a method of control as you might think. e.g. Not everyone is an expert marksman and wounding creates a huge amount of unnecessary suffering. Additionally, the rifle shooter with a lamp will kill or maim all foxes, not just the old, stupid or injured ones. This includes pregnant vixens or those with cubs to feed who then starve. Not ideal. And hounds? Mother Nature is quite amazing in that when with cubs, the scent of a vixen diminishes a great deal meaning that they have a far better chance of eluding a hunting pack.

In general terms, it is true to say that a fox in the prime of it's life will invariably show the hounds a clean pair of heels.


Alexbrownmp's last post was illuminating in that it pointed to the real reason that people are anti hunting - a lack of genuine understanding and an axe to grind in terms of the now almost irrelevant, class system in the UK. Hunting attracts people from all areas of the social spectrum and whilst there are a few lords and ladies around, the majority of those that hunt are just normal people, usually from rural areas.
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Not sure you should be posting on a subject that you obviously know nothing about.
Try another Google search on the subject
 
Pin-seeker said:
Not sure you should be posting on a subject that you obviously know nothing about.
Try another Google search on the subject
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H'mm! I think you should read Snelly's earlier posts!!

It's like saying Alistair Cook know's nothing about Captaining England!
 
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