Foxhunting

[Lord Tyrion]

Maybe its a Country / City divide kinda thing

Absolutely disagree and that is a line constantly peddled by the pro hunt lobby (not pointing a figure at you there, I do not know if you are pro or anti. More making the point it is a mantra they churn out). I have lived in the country all my life and can still see it is wrong to take pleasure in killing. Even city folk understand pest control but fox hunting is not about pest control, it is about a day out, a jolly, an act of pleasure. Getting that from killing an animal is not a city / country thing.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

I dont see what everyone get so up arms about it. I bet You're all happy enough buying your antibiotic pumped £3 chickens that have never seen the light of day.

I'm not. I'll always go for the higher welfare or free range option. I won't buy any meat from a 'savers' range because I expect that it will be as you describe.

As for fox hunting, if you have a problem with a fox, shoot it. I can't be OK with a pack of dogs chasing a fox to tear it to shreds, dying in agony.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Trouble is that you can shoot or snare a fox and not be sure of a kill.
A fox will chew off it's leg to escape a snare and a wounded shot fox will probably die a painful death.
At least with the hounds it is a quick death.

 

[MegaSteve]

Believe urban fox is becoming a real problem...

Noted five dead, recently, on the drive to work...

One in the lane I use to access the A40...
Three along the drive through to Park Royal...
And, one in the service road for the commercial park I work in...

Should you hit one whilst driving they can make a real [expensive] mess of your vehicle...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Trouble is that you can shoot or snare a fox and not be sure of a kill.
A fox will chew off it's leg to escape a snare and a wounded shot fox will probably die a painful death.
At least with the hounds it is a quick death.

Seriously ?!

The dogs play with the fox when they have it cornered and then snap it's legs and then continue to play with it until they rip it limb from limb !! Nothing quick about it at all

 

[bobmac]

I think one of the problems is not that they say they are reducing the number of foxs, it's that they get all dressed up in their regalia and red jackets and ponce around the villages before the off, showing the peasants how rich they are on their big horses.
If they were in the back of a land rover in jeans and jumper, there would be less uproar



And the jackets are red, not pink

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think one of the problems is not that they say they are reducing the number of foxs, it's that they get all dressed up in their regalia and red jackets and ponce around the villages before the off, showing the peasants how rich they are on their big horses.
If they were in the back of a land rover in jeans and jumper, there would be less uproar

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And the jackets are red, not pink

A bit like us lot then around the clubhouse with our enormous buggies and bags - if you were to ask non-golfers that is (and that's my point)

 

[patricks148]

Ive actually been on a hunt a couple of times, long ago. I was dating a young lady who's family was into that. It was quite good fun to be honest, though my riding wasn't really as good as i told her it was. We never saw a fox either time.

I'm in favor of the ban as i'm sure there are other ways to control fox numbers that are far more humane. plus i think the drag hunting would be just as much fun.

 

[bobmac]

A bit like us lot then around the clubhouse with our enormous buggies and bags - if you were to ask non-golfers that is (and that's my point)

There's absolutely no comparison.

 

[bladeplayer]

Absolutely disagree and that is a line constantly peddled by the pro hunt lobby (not pointing a figure at you there, I do not know if you are pro or anti. More making the point it is a mantra they churn out). I have lived in the country all my life and can still see it is wrong to take pleasure in killing. Even city folk understand pest control but fox hunting is not about pest control, it is about a day out, a jolly, an act of pleasure. Getting that from killing an animal is not a city / country thing.

No interest in hunt at all mate TBH , did a good bit of shooting growing up tho , there will always be exceptions , i just think Country & City folk have different ideas on it , just a personal opinion on it ..

As i said earlier they very seldom catch anything any way ,

Its up in the realms of Deer Hunting , Hare Coursing, or why you would rear calves for food .. there will be pro & anti everything

 

[bladeplayer]

Ive actually been on a hunt a couple of times, long ago. I was dating a young lady who's family was into that. It was quite good fun to be honest, though my riding wasn't really as good as i told her it was. We never saw a fox either time.

I'm in favor of the ban as i'm sure there are other ways to control fox numbers that are far more humane. plus i think the drag hunting would be just as much fun.

Good post right there Patrick

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There's absolutely no comparison.

The comparison is that those who do not participate do not really understand

 

[MegaSteve]

Ive actually been on a hunt a couple of times, long ago. I was dating a young lady who's family was into that. It was quite good fun to be honest, though my riding wasn't really as good as i told her it was. We never saw a fox either time.

I'm in favor of the ban as i'm sure there are other ways to control fox numbers that are far more humane. plus i think the drag hunting would be just as much fun.

I know a lady that used to hunt... For her, she used to say, it was more to do with having a good ride out during the day... A good sit down meal of an evening followed by some night time rumpy pumpy... Said she actually never saw a fox being 'despatched'... And, the chases never really lasted long before foxy gave the hunt the slip... No, she wasn't landed gentry...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What happens if a randy Scottish dog fox strays across the border to seek a comely English vixen.

Will there be a diplomatic incident.

 

[Snelly]

Seriously ?!

The dogs play with the fox when they have it cornered and then snap it's legs and then continue to play with it until they rip it limb from limb !! Nothing quick about it at all

Phil's post above is completely misleading and untrue. As are many others on this topic.

I am in favour of hunting with hounds, have done a lot of it, have a lot of friends that have worked in hunting and understand it much better than anyone else on this forum I would think.

I would be more than happy to answer every question raised and correct the misconceptions that have been written so far on the thread, if I thought that anyone would take notice and discuss the subject objectively. However, I think experience shows this cannot be done very easily as it is an emotionally charged discussion where most people are firmly for or against.

So I will just say that hunting with hounds isn't all about toffs and it certainly isn't about a bloodlust or deriving pleasure from killing. However, it is a pretty effective way of managing a fox population and the foxes that are killed do not suffer.


Additionally, whilst I favour the decriminalising of hunting with dogs, I am not in favour of our new government spending much time on this any time soon. Last time it went through the statute book, it took twice the time to discuss that the decision to go to war in Iraq did. A total disgrace. It is a political football, highly charged and the new government should be focusing on much more important matters.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Phil's post above is completely misleading and untrue. As are many others on this topic.

I am in favour of hunting with hounds, have done a lot of it, have a lot of friends that have worked in hunting and understand it much better than anyone else on this forum I would think.

I would be more than happy to answer every question raised and correct the misconceptions that have been written so far on the thread, if I thought that anyone would take notice and discuss the subject objectively. However, I think experience shows this cannot be done very easily as it is an emotionally charged discussion where most people are firmly for or against.

So I will just say that hunting with hounds isn't all about toffs and it certainly isn't about a bloodlust or deriving pleasure from killing. However, it is a pretty effective way of managing a fox population and the foxes that are killed do not suffer.


Additionally, whilst I favour the decriminalising of hunting with dogs, I am not in favour of our new government spending much time on this any time soon. Last time it went through the statute book, it took twice the time to discuss that the decision to go to war in Iraq did. A total disgrace. It is a political football, highly charged and the new government should be focusing on much more important matters.

..and the truth is that the Tories have won the football match so no need for them to rush into doing this.

 

[c1973]

I dont see what everyone get so up arms about it. I bet You're all happy enough buying your antibiotic pumped £3 chickens that have never seen the light of day.

I see what you're saying, and I agree.


I buy the free range ones myself mind you......that Hugh Fearnely Whittingstal (sp) geezer converted me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil's post above is completely misleading and untrue. As are many others on this topic.

I am in favour of hunting with hounds, have done a lot of it, have a lot of friends that have worked in hunting and understand it much better than anyone else on this forum I would think.

I would be more than happy to answer every question raised and correct the misconceptions that have been written so far on the thread, if I thought that anyone would take notice and discuss the subject objectively. However, I think experience shows this cannot be done very easily as it is an emotionally charged discussion where most people are firmly for or against.

So I will just say that hunting with hounds isn't all about toffs and it certainly isn't about a bloodlust or deriving pleasure from killing. However, it is a pretty effective way of managing a fox population and the foxes that are killed do not suffer.


Additionally, whilst I favour the decriminalising of hunting with dogs, I am not in favour of our new government spending much time on this any time soon. Last time it went through the statute book, it took twice the time to discuss that the decision to go to war in Iraq did. A total disgrace. It is a political football, highly charged and the new government should be focusing on much more important matters.

Maybe this hunt was a one off with

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...a-pack-of-hounds-ripping-a-fox-to-shreds.html

Or this one

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/2012/dec/17/fox-cameron-hunt-video

Or this one

http://m.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news...hounds_savage_fox__WARNING__Graphic_footage_/

There is lots of evidence out there already that back up exactly what I have said

warning - the videos are graphic and show disturbing images

 

[Foxholer]

Seriously ?!

The dogs play with the fox when they have it cornered and then snap it's legs and then continue to play with it until they rip it limb from limb !! Nothing quick about it at all

Complete and utter tosh!

The only animal that does anything like that is --- the domestic cat!

I'm totally with Snelly on this one!

 

[USER1999]

I'd ban fishing too, it's not much different, apart from the dogs.

it's all about out witting an animal with a brain the size of a peanut, and then terrorising it.

Fishing is worse though, because you chuck it back so you can chase it again next week.

Just a thought.