For those who do aimpoint

[3565]

What if you are not taking less putts? The practitioner I witnessed was taking an age (maybe just learning it tbf), so he DEFINITELY slowed play down, that sure as hell impeded folks behind.

Anyways, I'm not going to post on these threads anymore, I only posted to comment on the price point originally and then responded when my method of improving was derided as being 'cheap!!!'. I didn't see any mods objecting to that btw. Funny thing is, I can show ACTUAL improvement and don't FEEL it's improving. So who's point is more valid?

You derided Aimpoint as expensive, and you read that comment as if I'm calling your pro cheap? £15 is cheap, compared to some pros who charge a lot more then that. But hey your perception, just like you think Aimpoint is expensive. A couple of Aimpointers on here know how much it costs.

Good luck on the improvement, just like I had 27 putts today.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Aimpoint is expensive compared to paying zero :thup:

 

[3565]

Mmm for someone who wants validation on things, you only read what you want to read like Foxholer says.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Mmm for someone who wants validation on things, you only read what you want to read like Foxholer says.

I haven't asked for validation on anything in this thread - I was commenting on your cost remark.

The amount of putts you hit today doesn't change any thinking

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Good luck on the improvement, just like I had 27 putts today.

You really can't go on these sort of stats, if you missed all 18 greens in reg then 27 putts is pretty poor. If you hit all 18 in reg then it's a great stat. Maybe 27 putts is saying you are a great chipper and kept getting the ball close from off the green?

Very difficult to read anything into individual stats.

 

[3565]

I haven't asked for validation on anything in this thread - I was commenting on your cost remark.

The amount of putts you hit today doesn't change any thinking

:rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:rofl:

If you are happy with what you use to read greens then carry on - people will use other methods and won't want to shell out money to be told how to read a green when the methods will no doubt be nothing new.

You appear happy to mention when you have a good round putting - which it appears you are trying to use as proof of aimpoint being successful - what happens when you or another "aim pointer" has a poor putting round ? Is that also down to aimpoint ? You are appearing desperate in your attempts to show the money is worth spending

I had 28 putts today - reason why - because I got the pace right on the greens and I didn't need to pay someone a good deal of money to tell me that getting the pace right is critical

 

[chellie]

You really can't go on these sort of stats, if you missed all 18 greens in reg then 27 putts is pretty poor. If you hit all 18 in reg then it's a great stat. Maybe 27 putts is saying you are a great chipper and kept getting the ball close from off the green?

Very difficult to read anything into individual stats.

That was my first thought as well.

 

[Imurg]

Played against a guy today who was an aimpoint zealot. His green reading was pretty good but as has been stated still required getting the pace right and starting the putt on the right line...those factors weren't as good as his reading from what I saw..

Here's a question about aimpoint using Amanda's experience above....and this is it having a go at the method.

In Amanda's example Joe Aimpoint uses the method to determine his line - OK I can see that.
But if his pace and initial direction are so poor - how does he know that his reads are correct?
If he reads 3 inches outside right of the cup but his direction is 3 inches outside left, how does he know he's reading the greens accurately?

I guess what I'm saying is that any reading method relies on you bing able to start the ball on that linear the right pace.If any of those 3 elements are lacking you may as well just close your eyes and use The Force...

So in order to be able to use Aimpoint effectively, you have to be a reasonable putter to be able to start the ball on the correct line with the correct pace.
If you're a reasonable putter you should be able to read greens effectively anyway.........

And I'd still love to know how Aimpoint woks with double-break or downhill-then-uphill putts because I rarely get a putt with a single break or single slope....

 

[3565]

If you are happy with what you use to read greens then carry on - people will use other methods and won't want to shell out money to be told how to read a green when the methods will no doubt be nothing new.

You appear happy to mention when you have a good round putting - which it appears you are trying to use as proof of aimpoint being successful - what happens when you or another "aim pointer" has a poor putting round ? Is that also down to aimpoint ? You are appearing desperate in your attempts to show the money is worth spending

I had 28 putts today - reason why - because I got the pace right on the greens and I didn't need to pay someone a good deal of money to tell me that getting the pace right is critical[/QUOTE]

dont know if you know this, but to hole a putt there's another factor then just PACE................... You got to aim the bloody thing the right way..........Think that's pretty critical to, don't you? Go on I dare you to agree.............. :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you are happy with what you use to read greens then carry on - people will use other methods and won't want to shell out money to be told how to read a green when the methods will no doubt be nothing new.

You appear happy to mention when you have a good round putting - which it appears you are trying to use as proof of aimpoint being successful - what happens when you or another "aim pointer" has a poor putting round ? Is that also down to aimpoint ? You are appearing desperate in your attempts to show the money is worth spending

I had 28 putts today - reason why - because I got the pace right on the greens and I didn't need to pay someone a good deal of money to tell me that getting the pace right is critical[/QUOTE]

dont know if you know this, but to hole a putt there's another factor then just PACE................... You got to aim the bloody thing the right way..........Think that's pretty critical to, don't you? Go on I dare you to agree.............. :rofl:

When did I say it was "just" pace ?

 

[3565]

When did I say it was "just" pace ?

:rofl:I "just" knew you wouldn't.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

One thing that I think needs clarification and has been ignored or missed in this and previous discussion is that although the initial cost may appear excessive to many, it does also give the person a chance to go back at a later date to another session free from further charge. This means if you go, try it and aren't sure you are doing it correctly or struggling with it, there's another chance to get some further help.

As an aside, I had no three putts yesterday and only 27 putts and not many were as a result of up and downs and chipping close. With the way I was hitting it, getting within range was an issue. Imurg makes a valid point which others have mentioned AND I AGREE WITH, that if you can't set it on the line it makes no odds. I have worked hard on my putting and feel quite comfortable now I've addressed the "push" I had that for the majority I have put it on the right line. My pace is usually good. However, and it isn't just Aimpoint this applies to, you can still make a good read and a good stroke and it doesn't go in. It isn't a fail proof system BUT it is something that gives me more confidence that I have a good understanding on how the break will affect the putt and can make my attempt believing I've given myself the best chance of making it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You still have the initial payment to make regardless of how many times you can go back though Homer

That's still more expensive than paying nothing

Well done on 27 putts yesterday though - good score then ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

You still have the initial payment to make regardless of how many times you can go back though Homer

That's still more expensive than paying nothing

Well done on 27 putts yesterday though - good score then ?

Nett 77 including an 8 on a par 3. Mind you with CSS going up still hit the buffer. Given the strength of the wind I was pleased bar that one disaster. Even New Golf Thinking couldn't stop a string of anglo saxon phrases. Two crap swings sent it OB right both times. Lots of solid putts especially on the back nine but lots of holes playing into the wind coming home made it hard to get up or in my case even close

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In the weather conditions at the weekend getting into the buffer can certainly be considered a good round

 

[dontfancythisputt]

I tend to let the tour pros lead my thinking on these unusual teaching/equipment/swing debates.

They will almost certainly have and ear to the ground when it comes to anything that may move them up the leaderboards.
Take the belly putter issue, when questioned over the subject nearly all admitted to at least having a dabble with the longer putters.

As always there will be elements in any approach that a few will find beneficial and good luck to them, but when you see half the field at any tour event using a system then that when I’d really take an interest. Granted the price will have rocketed by then but at least I know the very best are seeing improvements from a system so there must be something worth looking at.

I’m on the fence with Aimpoint, never been that bad a putter to be honest so have stuck with what I know, I won’t say id never try it and will admit to giving the belly putter ago for a while.

One thing that I never get though is if feeling the slope through your feet surely that only relates to the section of ground your standing on, what are you meant to do if you have a 20ft putt that breaks 3 times or a putt that doesn’t break evenly across the whole length.

A lot of pin positions I play have a break around the cup, and it I saw someone standing close to the cup on every hole id be having a word as they are almost certainly going to be standing around the line of my next putt should I miss.

 

[AmandaJR]

I too had 27 putts on Saturday. GIR poor but the wind had a part to play in that. Chipped in twice and plenty of 1 putts but I'd argue my green reading enabled me to chip close/in. Reviewing the round yesterday I do think there is a temptation to vouch for something you've paid a good chunk of money for and the guy I played against seemed to fall into that trap. His argument was "how can you judge when you've not done the course" which is fine but again I'm not paying out £100 if I'm not convinced by what I've seen and read so far. Our practice green is always a tad quicker than the course and his first 3 birdie putts were woefully short so can't judge the line! On the 4th he nailed a 12 footer but straight uphill putt so I'd fancy my chances at that. Our 8th is a green I struggle to read and I watched him "feeling" the slope with interest and sensed some doubt. He nailed the putt though and I asked him about it and he said his feet told him one thing and his eyes another so confirmed what I think and that visually it is a tough read (so can see value in the feet helping there). On the 9th he was all over the place tee to green and hit a shocking putt - that green always feeds left to right but it's hard to see and think he didn't take extra time to assess with his feet as he was holding everyone up. On the 12th I didn't see his long birdie putt start as was preparing my chip - he was all excited about how close it was to a birdie BUT it was 18" short! I got up and down for the half His tee to green play fell apart after that so wasn't easy to judge his putting...

Overall it piques my interest but still didn't persuade me it's worth the cost of a course - even if I can do as many as I like!

 

[3565]

One thing that I think needs clarification and has been ignored or missed in this and previous discussion is that although the initial cost may appear excessive to many, it does also give the person a chance to go back at a later date to another session free from further charge. This means if you go, try it and aren't sure you are doing it correctly or struggling with it, there's another chance to get some further help.

As an aside, I had no three putts yesterday and only 27 putts and not many were as a result of up and downs and chipping close. With the way I was hitting it, getting within range was an issue. Imurg makes a valid point which others have mentioned AND I AGREE WITH, that if you can't set it on the line it makes no odds. I have worked hard on my putting and feel quite comfortable now I've addressed the "push" I had that for the majority I have put it on the right line. My pace is usually good. However, and it isn't just Aimpoint this applies to, you can still make a good read and a good stroke and it doesn't go in. It isn't a fail proof system BUT it is something that gives me more confidence that I have a good understanding on how the break will affect the putt and can make my attempt believing I've given myself the best chance of making it.

Great putting then Homer, although you can't read TOO much into just 27 putts i was told yesterday about my 27, I'm more interested in the scoring zone how many you made and what lengths you holed.

 

[MendieGK]

I'm always asking in the pro shop what the stimp is gordon, aren't you??

The first thing I do, is get the stimp & the pin positions, then phone my coach and my psychologist. Those stableford comps don't win themselves !:thup:

My Club posts the stimp reading on its website every single morning for both courses - Just saying