jp5
Q-School Graduate
If a grey area then the Europeans shouldn't have called a penalty.
Ref announced "all square" - Americans weren't the only one that thought putt had been conceded.
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If a grey area then the Europeans shouldn't have called a penalty.
Ref announced "all square" - Americans weren't the only one that thought putt had been conceded.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
It certainly looked like Charlie had conceded to me.
Faults on both sides IMO.
Why not just do away with gimmies,it would avoid any confusion.
Faults on both sides IMO.
Why not just do away with gimmies,it would avoid any confusion.
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It maybe bad etiquette but it's common place now for FC to walk off - seen it regualry , only have to watch the US Amatuer or a number of US events with it happening.
Simple for me - will putt out unless I hear a verbal concession or a clear sign from them regardless of where they are walking.
Twice she was warned and another time by her PP
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Well the grey area isn't the penalty - you can't just pick your ball up - that's rules of golf.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
If the conceding of the putt was a grey area, then the Europeans shouldn't have called a penalty.
Impartial ref thought it had been conceded, so can see why the Americans thought it had been.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
If the conceding of the putt was a grey area, then the Americans should not have picked the ball up.
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Or maybe the ref reacted on what the US player did - after speaking to the European players he then corrected what he said and went with what they said.
Only pick up the ball if it's 100% clear that the putt has been given - simple
The player had twice been warned - a point that people keep forgetting.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
I left home to play soon after the incident and it felt pretty sour and in poor sportsmanship. But...the news about the same player being warned by her opponents AND partner yet still she picked up her ball does shed a different light on it. Pettersen had probably had enough and thought "sod it, no more letting her off"...
Where is the word about said warnings though? Is it just rumour or has it been confirmed?
Where is the word about said warnings though? Is it just rumour or has it been confirmed?
UlyssesSky
Head Pro
Would like to read a source for these as well. No offense, Liverpoolphil, I believe you, just like to have my information backed-up as good as possible and have something at hand when repeating that argument towards others.
Bigfoot
Tour Rookie
I have a book by Jack Nicklaus in which he said that never assume a concession in matchplay. He had a situation once where he was expecting one over a short putt and his opponent walked off which (in his words) meant no concession and he had to hit the putt and missed it. A lesson learnt for him.
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Rob Lee was talking about it on Sky when they were discussing the incident - got the confirmation from the European Captain
Kellfire
Blackballed
Can I just say that on a forum day I'd genuinely have no issue actually playing with anyone from the forum. Opinions on here are just that.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
A question to the people saying the Europeans were in the wrong. You are playing in a match and on the first green your opponent picks the ball up from around a foot before you say anything. You politely ask them to wait for your concession before picking up. Four holes later they do it again from 18 inches and again you ask them to wait for your concession. How many times would you let them do this before enforced a penalty?
I haven't seen the incident in question so don't know for myself what happened but if she had been previously advised/warned not to do it then where do you draw the line?
I haven't seen the incident in question so don't know for myself what happened but if she had been previously advised/warned not to do it then where do you draw the line?
Tashyboy
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Just seen it and to be honest I thought the European bird was pig ignorant for walking off. If I was in a comp and a player was walking off to next tee after I had missed that putt how does he know that I have holed the 18" putt or not.
poor poor etiquette from the European team.
whats the ruling on this, your opponent says that's a gimme or you ask for a gimme. Because I have never ever asked for a gimme, but for a player to walk off I would assume as would most, pick it up.
poor poor etiquette from the European team.
whats the ruling on this, your opponent says that's a gimme or you ask for a gimme. Because I have never ever asked for a gimme, but for a player to walk off I would assume as would most, pick it up.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I would be cheesed off enough if my playing partner started to walk off the green if I were playing a medal but a load of you think it's perfectly okay for this to happen in matchplay. Doesn't sit well with me at all so I will stand by my original thoughts despite what the European team are now saying.
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When did people say it was ok to walk off the hole ?
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
"i'll see that in''
"well bloody stand there and watch it, you haven't got eyes on the back of your scone''
"well bloody stand there and watch it, you haven't got eyes on the back of your scone''
jp5
Q-School Graduate
If you're going to call it I think you need to give them the courtesy of actually being in the vicinity when you do.
To turn your back and start walking off to the next green, then call a penalty when the opponent follows you, is very poor form.
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Just watched it again and Hulls caddy stays where he is to watch the putt then puts his hands up when the ball is picked up
richart
Major Champion
Pettersens doesn't though. Moves faster than you do when last orders called.
