F1 2023

[Swango1980]

Second race week this weekend, and Leclerc has his first 10 place grid penalty, as his car has already needed more than his quota of 2 ECUs per season.

Although I understand the purpose of grid penalties, I sometimes wonder the "fairness" in them, or are the various penalties fair based on the parts that need replaced? Would it not just be better to dock the team points from the constructors championship if parts need to be replaced and they go over the quota, while give grid penalties or deduct points from drivers when the drivers are at fault?

 

[Beedee]

If he's already breached parts quotas this early, just hand the trophies to Max and RB now, and save millions of dollars.

I don't particularly feel sorry for him as it's the team's fault. Win as a team, lose as a team. I feel more sorry for people whose car gets wiped out in someone else's accident, but it still costs an engine or gearbox.

If I ruled F1 I'd remove the quotas of so many ECUs or gearboxes or whatever, and police the cost cap harder. You can have three gearboxes a week if you want but it's going to cost you a huge amount of your annual cost cap. And anyone breaching the cost cap would have their cost cap for the following 2 seasons reduced by 200% of the overspend.

 

[Beedee]

Was reading the other day about all the teams setting up ultra high tech spin-off divisions/companies. They are sort of related to applicable fields like aero or materials science, but not strictly F1. Lots of the big brains of the technical teams spend most of there time in the offshoots, so any money spent there on research etc isn't included in the F1 cost cap.

Then the big brains do a short secondment to the F1 division, obviously bringing all the knowledge of the new research with them. They can't bring paperwork, but equally, they can't empty their brains. And only that time/cost actually at the F1 team is accountable to F1.

 

[bobmac]

Where there's a will there's a loophole

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That Red Bull car is a bit good , how is it so much quicker than all the others. It’s even quicker in the hands of Verstappen

 

[ger147]

Shame for Alonso to lose his podium with the 10 second post-race penalty. He's deffo in with a good shout of P3 in the driver's championship this season. Will be interesting to see if Aston Martin as a team can cut out the mistakes and get both their cars towards the front and get P2 in the constructor's championship.

 

[Beedee]

Beginning to wonder how much RB are sandbagging. They don't want their car too good. Too dominant and they might attract the sort of rule changes that hurt Mercedes and helped get Max his first title (and I mean the technical rule changes, not hiring their own race director). Their DRS system sounds ridiculously good.

 

[SaintHacker]

That Red Bull car is a bit good , how is it so much quicker than all the others. It’s even quicker in the hands of Verstappen

Its powered by better sandwiches...

Alonso now put back to 3rd

 

[Dando]

One thing about F1 that bothers me is the safety car and that it wipes out every drivers gap to those in front of them.

Would it be possible to have a system in place that allows those gaps to be reinstated once the SC goes in?

 

[Jason.H]

One thing about F1 that bothers me is the safety car and that it wipes out every drivers gap to those in front of them.

Would it be possible to have a system in place that allows those gaps to be reinstated once the SC goes in?

That’s what the virtual safety car allows. They could do virtual with a slower speed delta. But they like to bunch up the field so marshals have more safe time.
Weirdly I don’t like it when a driver who has a problem is told over and over to
“ stop on track”. Lance did well to get his car in a safe spot. It’s like the team wanted the full safety car to help Alonso .

 

[Jason.H]

Beginning to wonder how much RB are sandbagging. They don't want their car too good. Too dominant and they might attract the sort of rule changes that hurt Mercedes and helped get Max his first title (and I mean the technical rule changes, not hiring their own race director). Their DRS system sounds ridiculously good.

They’ve designed a great car for the new regulations. No surprise Adrian Newey is the mastermind . The Red Bull rear wing looked very small in comparison to the others. And the ground effect underneath the car will be the masterpiece. Max complaining about issues might be to take focus off how easy it is. Nursing his car home then throwing in the fastest lap
Aston Martin copied the Redbull design to a degree and look how they’re going. Mercedes I don’t know why they didn’t.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Obviously the budget overspend by RB hasn’t made any difference……..

 

[Jason.H]

It may of helped .
Well done Russel holding his ground against team orders

 

[Piece]

I also think the RB has the best brakes on the grid.

 

[Jason.H]

Shame for Alonso to lose his podium with the 10 second post-race penalty. He's deffo in with a good shout of P3 in the driver's championship this season. Will be interesting to see if Aston Martin as a team can cut out the mistakes and get both their cars towards the front and get P2 in the constructor's championship.

Silly mistake to not line up in the grid slot though, bet he does next time.

 

[ger147]

Silly mistake to not line up in the grid slot though, bet he does next time.

Aye pretty daft, altho to be fair to all the drivers, the visibility of the track surface immediately in front of the drivers is basically nil.

Still, everyone else managed fine and he's obviously managed fine himself in his other 356 starts so really no excuse. But glad he got his podium back, he served his 5 second penalty fair and square and it's very common for the back jack to be touching cars during a penalty being served, the stewards on the day should not have penalised the team again.

 

[bobmac]

DISASTER!
Angela Cullen and Lewis have parted company.

Goodbye Angela and good luck

 

[BrianM]

DISASTER!
Angela Cullen and Lewis have parted company.

Goodbye Angela and good luck

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Where have you been hiding Bob, this happened over a week ago

 

[bobmac]

Where have you been hiding Bob, this happened over a week ago

I've only just recovered enough to talk about

 

[Piece]

What are the chances? Checo binned and Lewis moves to Red Bull for next year? Perhaps we'll hear something on Apr 1?