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I agree. Easy to say the right things and come across positively when you have won. He wasn't like that during the season and if things don't go his way next year there will be toys out of the box and he will be moaning to his team to get on the radio and get it changed. What happened to best driver wins?

You could hear him on the radio after the first lap and he was already moaning. If he hadn't won he would be moaning forever. I wanted Lewis to win but the biggest sadness he didn't was seeing Max put on this fake nice guy act, instead of revealing his true colours. Lewis will kick him into touch next year.

Hamilton has SEVEN World titles and today received his overdue knighthood. He'll be the greatest when retires.
 
Less overall wins in more races.
Where’s my mic drop gif ?
Still 7 Championships though - and that (alone) seems to be the metric
How do they measure Tennis? Snooker? Darts? et al.
Never any doubt (well, not to me) had Masi made a different decision though!
 
Surely there is no maybe that Hamilton is the greatest of his generation. I know you have to factor in cars and Alonso and Vettel are considered highly but they are not at Hamilton's level.

It’s not even close. He’s got more world championships and wins than the pair of them combined.
 
Great or GOAT isn't or shouldn't be a single statistic in my opinion. It's not limited to F1 but I think to be named greatest is a more subjective honour that is reserved for the most eminent figure, one that cannot be quantified simply in terms of a number. It has to encompass achievements, attitude, personality, stature, place, and lots of other lovely subjective discourse

Nicklaus is the greatest golfer.
Maradonna is the greatest footballer.
Senna is the greatest F1 driver.

It's not just about titles, although some of the greatest have also won the most (Nicklaus), one does not lead to the other. It's what makes the crown of being great more interesting than just a single statistic.
 
Great or GOAT isn't or shouldn't be a single statistic in my opinion. It's not limited to F1 but I think to be named greatest is a more subjective honour that is reserved for the most eminent figure, one that cannot be quantified simply in terms of a number. It has to encompass achievements, attitude, personality, stature, place, and lots of other lovely subjective discourse

Nicklaus is the greatest golfer.
Maradonna is the greatest footballer.
Senna is the greatest F1 driver.

It's not just about titles, although some of the greatest have also won the most (Nicklaus), one does not lead to the other. It's what makes the crown of being great more interesting than just a single statistic.

Tiger is the greatest golfer.
Cristiano Ronaldo is the greatest footballer.
Hamilton is the greatest F1 driver.

As you say, subjective. So, in my mind the answers I've provided are 100% correct. No one else's opinion will change mine, and my opinion will change no one else's.
 
I'd struggle a bit with anyone saying Senna was the greatest, I could certainly see the argument he might have been the fastest or the most talented.

Hamilton for me I think. But I find it impossible to compare across different ages. Death is less of a realistic possibility than it was! Plenty of brilliant drivers that had their careers curtailed.
 
What happened to Lewis was even worse than that.
This bit was absolute drivel - "He tells you you are now all square and you have to give your opponent a shot up the last. "

They weren't all square, Lewis had the lead, and there was no handicap awarded against him. Also, the intervening "holes" had input from his team both to his own strategy, and also interfering with the ref. So no, it was a rotten analogy
 
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